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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 23, 2011 8:09:17 GMT -5
It's really a tossup between Alien and Aliens. But the director's cut of Alien 3 is a vast improvement over the theatrical cut. Resurrection, and both AvP movies are garbage.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 23, 2011 11:03:48 GMT -5
Since I also recently did a thread about Dune, I thought I might share a fun little factoid with any of my fellow Alien fans who did not know it: Alien partially resulted from Dune. To elaborate: Dan O'Bannon and HR Giger were both involved in an attempt by a director named Alejandro Jordowsky to make Dune into a movie in the 1970's. Giger had been hired to design some of the sets, and when O'Bannon was developing the idea for Alien he remembered Giger's work and asked him to design the monster for him. Love the way sci-fi genres tie into each other. You can go even further, you can trace Alien back to Salvador Dali. Without the art category of surrealism for Giger to explore in his teen years, there never would have been an Alien, or at least the Alien as we know it. Chances are Giger probably would have explored other art forms - abstract or realism possibly. I suppose that's why I always give Dali a very remote/indirect credit to Alien. Without Dali's influence, would Giger have explored those landmark visuals that made him a master. I talking about these films. I consider myself an Alien buff but there's always something new to discover.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 23, 2011 11:08:31 GMT -5
The first two are masterpieces- one among the horror genre, the other among the action genre. The following films range from meh to godawful.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 23, 2011 12:45:08 GMT -5
The REAL Alien 3. The one we never got to see. The one teased at here. That is incredibly misleading. Truth is that Alien3, the one you envision, was never gonna happen. Aliens on Earth was nixed fairly early on in the development process, around 1988 or 89. Well before they got to the teaser stage.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Dec 23, 2011 12:47:50 GMT -5
Ya know... i've seen all of them but the third one... weird.
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Post by Mattification on Dec 23, 2011 14:07:48 GMT -5
For me, my preference follows the order they were released. Alien the best, Requiem garbage.
I'm hoping Prometheus screws up the pattern.
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Post by spec on Dec 23, 2011 20:50:29 GMT -5
The REAL Alien 3. The one we never got to see. The one teased at here. That is incredibly misleading. Truth is that Alien3, the one you envision, was never gonna happen. Aliens on Earth was nixed fairly early on in the development process, around 1988 or 89. Well before they got to the teaser stage. Now that would've been an interesting direction, i always thought they should've done an Aliens on Earth thing. That may well have been better than essentially re-hashing the whole - one alien takes out small group of people one by one - thing. It could've been like a Starship Troopers type of thing, with legions of xenos.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 24, 2011 0:30:55 GMT -5
That is incredibly misleading. Truth is that Alien3, the one you envision, was never gonna happen. Aliens on Earth was nixed fairly early on in the development process, around 1988 or 89. Well before they got to the teaser stage. Now that would've been an interesting direction, i always thought they should've done an Aliens on Earth thing. That may well have been better than essentially re-hashing the whole - one alien takes out small group of people one by one - thing. It could've been like a Starship Troopers type of thing, with legions of xenos. Add to that the fact that the most we ever really saw of Earth was in some version of Aliens (don't remember if it was Theatrical or DVD cut) when Ripley was unfrozen from the events of Alien.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 24, 2011 3:45:38 GMT -5
Now that would've been an interesting direction, i always thought they should've done an Aliens on Earth thing. That may well have been better than essentially re-hashing the whole - one alien takes out small group of people one by one - thing. It could've been like a Starship Troopers type of thing, with legions of xenos. Add to that the fact that the most we ever really saw of Earth was in some version of Aliens (don't remember if it was Theatrical or DVD cut) when Ripley was unfrozen from the events of Alien. But in the late 80's the concept was too expensive, at least for Fox's tastes. And then again James Cameron did apparently have a screencap for a two-part Alien movie set on earth that supposedly would have cost in excess of 200million. This was the late ninties I think. Nowadays, after the critical and relative finacial failures of Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, Fox don't consider Alien a worthwhile enough francise to splash the cash on. Which is why we got the AvP movies instead of another Alien sequel. Mainly because they were cheaper. Now they've bucked this trend with Prometheus which is notable for being the first "proper" Alien movie without Sigourney Weaver. It's somewhat surprising cosidering how desperate they were to get her into Alien3 and Alien Resurrection, though more for the fan recognition than any name value she has.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 11:02:31 GMT -5
We DID get Aliens on Earth: AVP Requiem.
It sucked ass, but it still happened...
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Dec 24, 2011 11:24:18 GMT -5
Aliens takes it for me, but Alien is no slouch either.
Sidenote: don't bother with the Director's Cut* of Alien. If you think it the pace is too slow then the D-cut will really get on your nerves. Plus it reveals the Xenomorph way too early and kills the tension dead.
*I say Director's Cut because that's how it's labeled. Ripley Scott has said that the cut was made just so FOX had two versions of the movie for the Quadrilogy DVD release. The theatrical cut is what he considers to be the real director cut.
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Post by ZERO on Dec 24, 2011 16:52:16 GMT -5
It's tied between the first two for me. For different reasons.
Alien is a brilliant horror movie, and it was something genuinely different at the time. Plays on a fear of an unseen creature (you don't see it for most of the film, aside from the Chestburster scene and towards the end) and fear of rape.
Aliens takes this creature and makes an awesome action flick with it.
Alien 3 had some interesting ideas ruined by Executive meddling. I liked the "wooden planet" idea when I first heard about it.
Resurrection just wasn't that good.
The AVP films require your brain to be completely shut off before you can even begin to think about enjoying it. If you can even see a thing in AVP2, that film is so badly lit.
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Post by erisi236 on Dec 24, 2011 20:34:12 GMT -5
AvP: Reqiuem was actually so incredibly good that the human mind couldn't comprehend it and so it just appeared to be a black screen.
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Post by Thread Pirate Roberts on Dec 24, 2011 21:59:26 GMT -5
Alien 3 pretty much made the last 25 mins of Aliens null and void by killing off Newt and Hicks and that pissed me off. that being said Having had the excrement scared out of me at an early age watching Alien in the theater with my dad it will always be my favorite.
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