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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 23:38:36 GMT -5
I guess I'll be the guy that rains on the parade, but I think he should not have been welcome back. I can understand giving someone a second chance, but he has had several chances, both in WWE and in TNA. He also made a bunch of people feel ripped off when he was too messed up to wrestle a ppv main event. If he's ever in a ppv main event again, I won't order the show because of that. So TNA has already lost money from me at least. No, I'm with you. I think it's amazingly dumb on TNA's part to keep throwing money at this bozo right now. On a human level I agree, as a fan I disagree. It's really a weird morality conflict where I really enjoy Jeff's work, but TNA are gonna look really stupid if Jeff relapses again. I guess my stance right now is to just watch with my fingers crossed that Jeff's f***ed up enough times that he's been made a better man because of it. TNA definitely should have waited, but I'm just gonna make the best of it as a fan.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2011 9:04:44 GMT -5
Hopefully his issues will be sorted out, then he can go back to WWE for Punk vs Jeff Part 2 I disagree with this. If Jeff ever goes back to the 'E, it should be in a situation where Punk is cornered and the odds are against him, only for Jeff to come to his rescue. Punk, of course, wouldn't trust Jeff, like Jeff, or want Jeff's help at first, but Jeff has become a different person than he was in 2009 - he's gone through this life changing experience, and harbors no ill will towards his old enemy, instead extending a hand to him, saying that he's a changed man, and is in a better place, a place where he sees that CM Punk and he can be allies. Of course, Punk would be stubborn and unwilling to let the past go like that, still weary of Jeff. After a few more rescues and shows that Jeff is serious about his new life, Punk accepts Jeff's friendship. This storyline would be great to set Jeff back up with the WWE Universe not as a washed-up druggie, but a man born again and here with a purpose. THAT'S a storyline with real depth and emotion, rather than a forced Jeff return to fight Punk, who himself is a million miles away from what he was in 2009 - straight-edge jesus Punk is loooong gone, replaced by world-beating rebel face Punk - and if there's anyone in the back Jeff Hardy would want to prove himself to, oddly, it's CM Punk. But once he makes peace with his past...Jeff is primed for an Eddie/HBK comeback and redemption. However, all of this, as usual, hinges on Jeff staying clean. It's an interesting storyline, but Jeff/CM "best of buds" could be wasting an enormous amount of profit that could be drawn from a feud. It doesn't necessarily need to be "druggie vs preacher", but some sort of conflict would be required.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 10, 2011 11:58:24 GMT -5
Jeff wants one shot. Well the thing is he had several and manages to screw up again. As a fan I can't spend money on him if he was in the Main Event. Because I would be afraid of getting ripped off again. How can I get behind a guy who over the years as shown no regards for his fans.
Not just the Main Event but the fans he no showed a TNA PPV during his first run. Yet he still mega over. Why I ask? Because he takes crazy bumps and spots. So does AJ and in a more crisper fashin. The thing is, we can talk about how he could be the next Eddie or HBK and changing his life. The all great to have that idea angle. But until he takes action on really changing his life. I have no confendence in him.
The man has a kid at home. Yet he still screws up. You think once that kid came into his life. It would made him change. Much like it did Orton and really started HBK change. Yet I see him still acting like a teenager. Not taking responseablity to help himself so he can be there for his kid and be a good dad. To beable to set a good example for his kid.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2011 12:04:49 GMT -5
For me, he's also doing the exact same stuff he's done since 1999; so there's really no entertainment to be had with in in-ring stuff either.
It's not as if he's suddenly gonna take 'em to the promised land of ratings and buyrates either.. risk far outweighs the reward.
Plus, at least his douchebag brother only ever made himself look stupid and didn't potentially endanger his co-workers.
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 10, 2011 19:27:22 GMT -5
I disagree with this. If Jeff ever goes back to the 'E, it should be in a situation where Punk is cornered and the odds are against him, only for Jeff to come to his rescue. Punk, of course, wouldn't trust Jeff, like Jeff, or want Jeff's help at first, but Jeff has become a different person than he was in 2009 - he's gone through this life changing experience, and harbors no ill will towards his old enemy, instead extending a hand to him, saying that he's a changed man, and is in a better place, a place where he sees that CM Punk and he can be allies. Of course, Punk would be stubborn and unwilling to let the past go like that, still weary of Jeff. After a few more rescues and shows that Jeff is serious about his new life, Punk accepts Jeff's friendship. This storyline would be great to set Jeff back up with the WWE Universe not as a washed-up druggie, but a man born again and here with a purpose. THAT'S a storyline with real depth and emotion, rather than a forced Jeff return to fight Punk, who himself is a million miles away from what he was in 2009 - straight-edge jesus Punk is loooong gone, replaced by world-beating rebel face Punk - and if there's anyone in the back Jeff Hardy would want to prove himself to, oddly, it's CM Punk. But once he makes peace with his past...Jeff is primed for an Eddie/HBK comeback and redemption. However, all of this, as usual, hinges on Jeff staying clean. An absolutely astounding story that sticks with both men's current characters instead of regressing them 2 years. Great job dude. Thanks man. I'm glad this idea got some positive feedback; I was thinking, just imagine that moment when Raven returned to ECW to help Tommy Dreamer beat the Dudleyz, and how much history, how much emotion was in that moment, but add in the real-life drama of the situation and just imagining it would be incredible. It's be a HUGE moment. For both guys, for the fans, for everyone. As for a money rematch; how's this: if Punk is WWE champion at this time, after a month or two of being friends, he gives Jeff a shot at the belt. Jeff loses a hard-fought match. After a year of battling his way through everything and REMAINING CLEAN (NO LESS than at least a year, possibly more) Jeff wins the Rumble, going on to face WWE Champion CM Punk at Wrestlemania, face v. face, warriors who respect one another and have been through hell together. Jeff completes his redemption by winning the belt, and the two shake hands.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Sept 14, 2011 6:57:28 GMT -5
Well, he does look a lot healthier and I understand he's screwed up his thousands of chances. But why are so many people hellbent on not giving him another chance? Eddie Guerrero(RIP) was an addict and people gave him a chance, Scott Hall is a well known addict and people are more receptive to him, Shawn Michaels was an addict and people gave him a chance, and the list goes on.
So how come Jeff isn't deserving of another chance? I understand the apprehension, but if he's serious about staying clean and does so, then that's great for him, his health, and his family. This is more than just wrestling this is talking about someones else.
I honestly believe Jeff did hit rock bottom and most likely wants to make a change.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Sept 14, 2011 8:49:00 GMT -5
Well, he does look a lot healthier and I understand he's screwed up his thousands of chances. But why are so many people hellbent on not giving him another chance? Eddie Guerrero(RIP) was an addict and people gave him a chance, Scott Hall is a well known addict and people are more receptive to him, Shawn Michaels was an addict and people gave him a chance, and the list goes on. So how come Jeff isn't deserving of another chance? I understand the apprehension, but if he's serious about staying clean and does so, then that's great for him, his health, and his family. This is more than just wrestling this is talking about someones else. I honestly believe Jeff did hit rock bottom and most likely wants to make a change. I think the major strike against Hardy is because he's been fired from both TNA and WWE in the past due to his drug issues. I personally don't hate Hardy (he was actually my favorite in 2008) but he's been given quite a few free passes. I'm still hoping that this run sees that he actually changes his act.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Sept 14, 2011 8:54:04 GMT -5
I'm glad he is back but if he hasn't been to rehab and gotten cleaned up and joined a vigorous twelve step program where he is going to meetings twice a day I'm afraid that Victory Road is just going to happen all over again.
BTW I think the only reason TNA brought him back was for money. His merchandise probably sells better than anyone else's in TNA guaranteed.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 14, 2011 13:02:59 GMT -5
Well, he does look a lot healthier and I understand he's screwed up his thousands of chances. But why are so many people hellbent on not giving him another chance? Eddie Guerrero(RIP) was an addict and people gave him a chance, Scott Hall is a well known addict and people are more receptive to him, Shawn Michaels was an addict and people gave him a chance, and the list goes on. So how come Jeff isn't deserving of another chance? I understand the apprehension, but if he's serious about staying clean and does so, then that's great for him, his health, and his family. This is more than just wrestling this is talking about someones else. I honestly believe Jeff did hit rock bottom and most likely wants to make a change. I think the major strike against Hardy is because he's been fired from both TNA and WWE in the past due to his drug issues. I personally don't hate Hardy (he was actually my favorite in 2008) but he's been given quite a few free passes. I'm still hoping that this run sees that he actually changes his act. That does indeed prove to be a problem Jeff runs into. He's gone through quite a few chances already, but it seems like he understands he has a problem to address.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 14, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -5
I think the major strike against Hardy is because he's been fired from both TNA and WWE in the past due to his drug issues. I personally don't hate Hardy (he was actually my favorite in 2008) but he's been given quite a few free passes. I'm still hoping that this run sees that he actually changes his act. That does indeed prove to be a problem Jeff runs into. He's gone through quite a few chances already, but it seems like he understands he has a problem to address. That drug charge may have been the best thing that could have happened to Jeff Hardy. Prior to that, if anything ever happened with drugs, he just went to another promotion: drugs get him kicked out of WWE, he goes to TNA; kicked out of TNA, back to WWE. Add to that that as far as I know, he's never overdosed, so for the most part, he's gone through his life as an addict without nearly any consequence. Now that he's just barely missed being locked away for years, away from his wife, his family, and his child, I think he may be sincere about getting better. He needed a consequence, a wall to hit; he needed to hit rock bottom. Remember, in Shawn's book, he mentioned how it took him hitting rock bottom for him to rediscover himself, to get born-again, and of course, to get off drugs. Call me naive, but I think these past events, both Victory Road and barely escaping hard time, may be the saving grace that keeps Jeff Hardy on the straight and narrow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 15:26:20 GMT -5
That does indeed prove to be a problem Jeff runs into. He's gone through quite a few chances already, but it seems like he understands he has a problem to address. That drug charge may have been the best thing that could have happened to Jeff Hardy. Prior to that, if anything ever happened with drugs, he just went to another promotion: drugs get him kicked out of WWE, he goes to TNA; kicked out of TNA, back to WWE. Add to that that as far as I know, he's never overdosed, so for the most part, he's gone through his life as an addict without nearly any consequence. Now that he's just barely missed being locked away for years, away from his wife, his family, and his child, I think he may be sincere about getting better. He needed a consequence, a wall to hit; he needed to hit rock bottom. Remember, in Shawn's book, he mentioned how it took him hitting rock bottom for him to rediscover himself, to get born-again, and of course, to get off drugs. Call me naive, but I think these past events, both Victory Road and barely escaping hard time, may be the saving grace that keeps Jeff Hardy on the straight and narrow. Here's hoping. You can never be sure with drug issues but this time does seem like he's actually making an attempt. Of course, if nothing else his brother's idiocy should be an excellent motivator to get clean.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 14, 2011 15:32:43 GMT -5
Well, he does look a lot healthier and I understand he's screwed up his thousands of chances. But why are so many people hellbent on not giving him another chance? Eddie Guerrero(RIP) was an addict and people gave him a chance, Scott Hall is a well known addict and people are more receptive to him, Shawn Michaels was an addict and people gave him a chance, and the list goes on. So how come Jeff isn't deserving of another chance? I understand the apprehension, but if he's serious about staying clean and does so, then that's great for him, his health, and his family. This is more than just wrestling this is talking about someones else. I honestly believe Jeff did hit rock bottom and most likely wants to make a change. For me, personally, I think he's already had plenty of chances. But more than that, I just don't think the upside is worth it.
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