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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Sept 5, 2011 19:23:30 GMT -5
Could you ever imagine a Vince McMahon or Ted Turner going to a house show and meeting with the fans? No. But they also pay medical bills and decent wages, and treated their wrestlers with a modicum of respect. Nobody in WWE or WCW was ever on food stamps or working at sunglass hut. In my mind, that means a lot more than simply hugging fans once in a while. Woah woah woah, let's not jump the gun and make McMahon the paragon of virtue here. While he has changed standards over the years (especially since his company went public), He and his company have been linked to many a scandal including sexual harrassment, Child molestation and steriods. And as far as taking care of medical and all that, there were many wrestlers who wrestled injured for him because if you didnt work, you didn't get paid. While he's changed those things, who's to say he wouldn't have if the WWE didn't go public?
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 5, 2011 22:35:29 GMT -5
No. But they also pay medical bills and decent wages, and treated their wrestlers with a modicum of respect. Nobody in WWE or WCW was ever on food stamps or working at sunglass hut. In my mind, that means a lot more than simply hugging fans once in a while. Woah woah woah, let's not jump the gun and make McMahon the paragon of virtue here. While he has changed standards over the years (especially since his company went public), He and his company have been linked to many a scandal including sexual harrassment, Child molestation and steriods. And as far as taking care of medical and all that, there were many wrestlers who wrestled injured for him because if you didnt work, you didn't get paid. While he's changed those things, who's to say he wouldn't have if the WWE didn't go public? I also don't see how "well, maybe he just gave into pressure" on stuff like concussions or drug testing erases any of the good he's done. Or is a defense of TNA. Okay, sure, maybe it took Nowinski to convince Vince on the concussion stuff but at least he listened and made the changes. Dixie is still refusing to learn lessons on the most basic of stuff (bringing back Jeff Hardy, having guys like Angle as champion when he's obviously got issues.)
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 5, 2011 22:39:01 GMT -5
So, I'm not suppose to buy the word of people actually involved who can actually prove it, but I am suppose to buy 100% the ramblings of people who's proof could be sold as cheese in Switzerland cause of how full of holes it is? Seems to be the rule to these things. Personally, my take is that while TNA's hardly run by saints, the horror stories are greatly exaggerated. When most of the horror stories are coming from the wrestlers themselves (Taylor Wilde, Neal, Daffney) I'm not sure how you can say "they're greatly exaggerated."
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 5, 2011 23:20:04 GMT -5
Seems to be the rule to these things. Personally, my take is that while TNA's hardly run by saints, the horror stories are greatly exaggerated. When most of the horror stories are coming from the wrestlers themselves (Taylor Wilde, Neal, Daffney) I'm not sure how you can say "they're greatly exaggerated." It is when Wilde and Neal were saying the claims were overblown or not true, and that Daffney's claims weren't even made by her, as she said she was gonna be quiet for the claims when she filed it. Most of it comes from Bleacher and Cage Side Seats.
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Post by I hate TNA on Sept 6, 2011 1:32:31 GMT -5
When most of the horror stories are coming from the wrestlers themselves (Taylor Wilde, Neal, Daffney) I'm not sure how you can say "they're greatly exaggerated." It is when Wilde and Neal were saying the claims were overblown or not true, and that Daffney's claims weren't even made by her, as she said she was gonna be quiet for the claims when she filed it. Most of it comes from Bleacher and Cage Side Seats. You're showing such blindess, unbelievable.
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Post by Twincest on Sept 6, 2011 10:19:26 GMT -5
When most of the horror stories are coming from the wrestlers themselves (Taylor Wilde, Neal, Daffney) I'm not sure how you can say "they're greatly exaggerated." It is when Wilde and Neal were saying the claims were overblown or not true, and that Daffney's claims weren't even made by her, as she said she was gonna be quiet for the claims when she filed it. Most of it comes from Bleacher and Cage Side Seats.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 6, 2011 10:40:40 GMT -5
For the last time, stop egging things on Twincest.
If you want to take part in the discussion, fine, but otherwise find another thread or play NBA Jam.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Sept 6, 2011 13:18:14 GMT -5
When most of the horror stories are coming from the wrestlers themselves (Taylor Wilde, Neal, Daffney) I'm not sure how you can say "they're greatly exaggerated." It is when Wilde and Neal were saying the claims were overblown or not true, and that Daffney's claims weren't even made by her, as she said she was gonna be quiet for the claims when she filed it. Most of it comes from Bleacher and Cage Side Seats. Okay, while I'm not doubting that Wilde said it was blown out of proportion, didn't the news on Jesse Neal come from Neal himself? Or am I remembering that wrong?
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Post by grunt on Sept 6, 2011 13:38:32 GMT -5
For the umpteenth time : Christina Von Eerie, an indy worker and Neal's girlfriend, qualified for food stamps, like many other indy workers. She tweeted Neal something along the lines of "honey, we just qualified for food stamps", to which Neal answered jokingly "yay, now we're gonna be able to eat !".
And that's about it. Ever since, Neal has clearly explained time and time again that he wasn't on food stamps, that CVE was, and that TNA was taking care of him while injured, but no, no, he can't be happy working for TNA, he must be lying !!!
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 6, 2011 13:40:48 GMT -5
For the umpteenth time : Christina Von Eerie, an indy worker and Neal's girlfriend, qualified for food stamps, like many other indy workers. She tweeted Neal something along the lines of "honey, we just qualified for food stamps", to which Neal answered jokingly "yay, now we're gonna be able to eat !". And that's about it. Ever since, Neal has clearly explained time and time again that he wasn't on food stamps, that CVE was, and that TNA was taking care of him while injured, but no, no, he can't be happy working for TNA, he must be lying !!! Honestly this is the first time I've seen this explanation. I appreciate it though.
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Post by grunt on Sept 6, 2011 13:46:14 GMT -5
Can't say i'm surprised, since after the original tweet exchange & newz, none of the dirt sheets reported Neal's explanations, and if they did, it was buried under tons of "he's towing the company line" commentary using the abovementioned Taylor Wilde/Daffney examples (and the "Madison Rayne missed house shows cos she's too poor" one, too) to prove the point that TNA sucks/doesn't pay its low-carders enough/is the worst wrestling company ever.
Same thing on most boards, really.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 6, 2011 13:50:13 GMT -5
It's the same thing with most news outlets, made to fit an agenda for the most part. Now do I think TNA has made some dumbass decisions? Oh yeah. Some of the scorn is well deserved. But I do think some of this stuff is taken out of proportion.
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Post by Young Game on Sept 6, 2011 14:57:35 GMT -5
Jesse Neal is dating Christina Von Eerie?
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 16:16:45 GMT -5
It is when Wilde and Neal were saying the claims were overblown or not true, and that Daffney's claims weren't even made by her, as she said she was gonna be quiet for the claims when she filed it. Most of it comes from Bleacher and Cage Side Seats. You're showing such blindess, unbelievable. What blindness? He's using evidence to back up his claims and pointing out explanations for things or holes in the stories, but the reply seems to just be, "But TNA's bad!"
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 6, 2011 16:19:24 GMT -5
Nobody bought the Neal story because his initial tweets made it clear he was talking himself and his girlfriend. He only backed away from his initial tweets when the whole thing blew up and embarrassed TNA.
Seriously: the screencaps of the initial tweets are still floating around. Check them and tell me he is, in any way, simply talking his girlfriend and not himself.
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 6, 2011 16:20:17 GMT -5
Also, Daffney retweeted the cagesideseats article, and didn't refute it at all, which would lead me to say, yes, it's her story as well.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 6, 2011 16:42:47 GMT -5
Jesse Neal is dating Christina Von Eerie? Wow. I think they got married.
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Post by dpg on Sept 6, 2011 16:59:29 GMT -5
So, I'm not suppose to buy the word of people actually involved who can actually prove it, but I am suppose to buy 100% the ramblings of people who's proof could be sold as cheese in Switzerland cause of how full of holes it is? Seems to be the rule to these things. Personally, my take is that while TNA's hardly run by saints, the horror stories are greatly exaggerated. I agree. TNA isn't a utopia, but neither is it a hell where crippled workers are driven to wrestle matches by Dixie Carter with a taser.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Sept 6, 2011 18:02:23 GMT -5
No. But they also pay medical bills and decent wages, and treated their wrestlers with a modicum of respect. Nobody in WWE or WCW was ever on food stamps or working at sunglass hut. In my mind, that means a lot more than simply hugging fans once in a while. Woah woah woah, let's not jump the gun and make McMahon the paragon of virtue here. While he has changed standards over the years (especially since his company went public), He and his company have been linked to many a scandal including sexual harrassment, Child molestation and steriods. And as far as taking care of medical and all that, there were many wrestlers who wrestled injured for him because if you didnt work, you didn't get paid. While he's changed those things, who's to say he wouldn't have if the WWE didn't go public? No, people would wrestle hurt for Vince because they were afraid of losing their spots. WWE has done guaranteed contracts for as long as I can remember with only a few exceptions. Meaning if you don't work, you don't get paid AS MUCH. The downside for a WWE contract is still enough for somebody to support their family. Granted, there have been times where they released somebody while they were injured, but it doesn't happen often. The last one I can think of is Test who was fired while out with a neck injury. And he showed back up in the company a few years later. Vince is no saint, but he's certainly a good employer. He takes care of his guys, that's for damn sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 18:52:53 GMT -5
Woah woah woah, let's not jump the gun and make McMahon the paragon of virtue here. While he has changed standards over the years (especially since his company went public), He and his company have been linked to many a scandal including sexual harrassment, Child molestation and steriods. And as far as taking care of medical and all that, there were many wrestlers who wrestled injured for him because if you didnt work, you didn't get paid. While he's changed those things, who's to say he wouldn't have if the WWE didn't go public? No, people would wrestle hurt for Vince because they were afraid of losing their spots. WWE has done guaranteed contracts for as long as I can remember with only a few exceptions. Meaning if you don't work, you don't get paid AS MUCH. The downside for a WWE contract is still enough for somebody to support their family. Granted, there have been times where they released somebody while they were injured, but it doesn't happen often. The last one I can think of is Test who was fired while out with a neck injury. And he showed back up in the company a few years later. Vince is no saint, but he's certainly a good employer. He takes care of his guys, that's for damn sure. If memory serves, think I've heard that they learned that Test was cleared to come back but was still trying to milk it. Reminds me of the idiocy on display by Rikishi in his firing - while telling them he was injured he worked a show for somebody else.
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