Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 21, 2012 3:58:12 GMT -5
Are there any actors that big who are that good? Ok, Bane should be massive, but who could play him well? Heck that was probably part of what happened with Batman and Robin, they found a huge guy, but he couldn't act at all so they kept him mute.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 5:37:11 GMT -5
In the original Knightfall comics, the entire plot Bane had devised was designed around the fact that he knew that physically he couldn't beat Batman at his peak, hense the whole gauntlet thing he'd set up by opening up Arkham Asylum. He only broke Batman's back because the latter was too exhausted to defend himself. I don't see it like that. I think breaking out the inmates was a psychological test and also a way to humiliate Batman. There were times in "Knightfall" that Bruce, exhausted and at his wits end, knew that after he dealt with all the inmates, he still had this shadowy figure to deal with, a mountain of muscle that yet possessed the intelligence to orchestrate such an ordeal. Obviously, Batman at full strength would be a whole other story, but it's not like Bane would automatically lose in a one on one fight. Not even counting the venom, he was essentially training for this fight since he was a child.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 21, 2012 8:52:32 GMT -5
Obviously some people feel VERY strongly about the topic-I guess we all have our own vision of how it should be. To re-iterate a point I have made several times, but that only a few other people seem to have picked up on, Nolan's fondness for grounding the genre in semi-reality does not just apply to Batman's weapons or to Bane's size. In Nolan's films Batman is highly trained and intelligent man, but he is just a man nonetheless. In Nolan's films we have seen Batman recovering from injuries the day after a fight, requesting better armor for self protection, and struggling against men smaller than himself, like when Scarecrow gassed him and set him on fire. Now while Nolan's Bane is, at least based on the images, shorter than Batman, he still looks quite muscular and powerful-more so than Liam Nesson did as Ras Al Ghul or any of his League of Shadows flunkies. And presumably this version of Bane is every bit as skilled at hand to hand fighting as Batman, so between his physical strength and skill you already have a very dangerous opponent. So realistically yes, this is someone who could fight Batman and possibly seriously injure him.
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Post by Juice on Jan 21, 2012 9:02:06 GMT -5
WTF is Goatse?
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 21, 2012 9:17:30 GMT -5
An image from a website of a man pulling his own butt-cheeks so far apart that his rectum is clearly visible.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 21, 2012 9:19:26 GMT -5
Also bear in mind this Bane is a terrorist. Terrorists don't need to look scary, they already freaking are.
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Post by Juice on Jan 21, 2012 10:26:53 GMT -5
Also bear in mind this Bane is a terrorist. Terrorists don't need to look scary, they already freaking are. Exactly, as I mentioned already in this thread he looks amazing for the role of a modern day terrorist, and I have dubbed him Terrorist Bane. Minus the mask he looks like he could very well be in some military camp.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Jan 21, 2012 11:44:41 GMT -5
I was definitely a Ledger-hater simply based on the look. I even wrote an infamous article about the choice that got me some unwanted internet notoriety. Then I went and saw the movie. Let's just say I haven't been as happy eating crow since I got drunk at a party and started undressing one of my high-school "rivals" after I told my buddies that I "would never touch that mean bitch"
Ledger's Joker was the first time they actually got the character RIGHT. Yeah, some things were dumb to me such as the make-up, but I could accept that by suspending my disbelief that they'd let him keep it on while incarcerated. Overall, however, Nolan and Ledger made me a believer.
To be honest, I have every reason to believe that this will be my favorite interpretation of the Bane character, as I don't care for him that much in the comics. But to disbelievers I betcha Nolan will keep Bane's intelligence and desire to prove himself superior to the Bat which are the raisons de etre (sorry French FANSies for the mangling) for the character anyway.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 21, 2012 13:07:28 GMT -5
Also bear in mind this Bane is a terrorist. Terrorists don't need to look scary, they already freaking are. They do when they're fighting Batman.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 21, 2012 20:08:14 GMT -5
people were complaining?
if Bane is half as awesome here as he is in the Secret Six comic, this'll be fun to watch.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Jan 21, 2012 23:28:08 GMT -5
The complaints about Bane's race are pretty dumb, considering the comic character is half-European. Plus, there are many examples of traditionally white characters having been turned black, Perry White in the upcoming Superman movie jumping to mind, that people defend as showing how progressive the world has become. He'll, there was talk of having Will Smith play James Bond a few years back, along with a Wayans brother being cast to play Robin.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 21, 2012 23:59:16 GMT -5
I will say this, I always liked Bane's mask in the comic because it was a tip of the hat to the Mexican Luchador tradition. Since Bane is from South America, it made perfect sense, and looked cool. That said, I think Hardy's Bane looks perfectly fine.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jan 22, 2012 1:18:00 GMT -5
*Trundles out of his cave based lair.*
Hello all.
Allow me to dispel some myths, Bane is biracial. His father being a white guy (evil superjerk mercenary, covered in a redemption storyarc of his), and his mother being a native to a fictional Latin American country.
Honestly, his race has largely been irrelevant to his character as a whole, only really there for flavor, and often bungled by his white boy nerd writing cast, most of whom didn't really get or develop an ethnic identity for the character, except as useless flavor (again not developed).
Personally I can forgive a lot about the physical representation, provided the characterization is done right. But, then, I I can see people still being upset.
If you want a definitive interpretation of the character, either use Knightfall, or Gail Simone's Secret Six.
Bane is not muscle. Bane is a scary smart, monster (who does crave redemption, and in Secret Six, vows not to use Venom), a thinker, a tactician. He just gets the muscle added after the fact.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 22, 2012 2:51:23 GMT -5
Hello all. Allow me to dispel some myths, Bane is biracial. His father being a white guy (evil superjerk mercenary, covered in a redemption storyarc of his), and his mother being a native to a fictional Latin American country. Honestly, his race has largely been irrelevant to his character as a whole, only really there for flavor, and often bungled by his white boy nerd writing cast, most of whom didn't really get or develop an ethnic identity for the character, except as useless flavor (again not developed). Oh, no. I knew he was bi-racial. That would still make him a PoC. And considering which interpretation you're talking about, I've seen more where he's actually spoken with an accent, worn a luchador-inspired mask and even spoke Spanish on occasion. So enough "useless flavor" was added to where lily-white Tom Hardy playing him is still a problem. Bane was clearly racialized for me. With PoC barely getting crap in Hollywood as it is, I'd rather it'd have just gone to a PoC as I don't think "downplaying his race" automatically means you default to a white guy playing him. It's just me considering how Hollywood has historically dealt with PoC in acting roles and pointing out a few white characters that were made black doesn't cut it. Especially when I clearly said People-Of-Color. It's not just black people I'm talking about.
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Jan 22, 2012 7:07:06 GMT -5
Here's my opinion.
I don't care, as long as the Bane I see in The Dark Knight Rises is a good one, and makes it a good film. And I have faith in Hardy to pull this off.
People get too hung-up on their perceptions of Bane in the comics and other media when I personally feel the Nolan films are in their own little world, and thus who says this Bane MUST be jacked to the gills and just freaking huge?
Same goes for Catwoman/Selina Kyle as well. It might not be what you think the character should be, but it might be the perfect fit for the story that Chris Nolan is trying to tell.
I will also apply this logic to ANY other character from Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Be it Joker (I personally have Ledger's Joker tied for #1 as my favourite with the animated series Joker as voiced by Mark Hamill), Scarecrow, whoever.
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Post by sryans on Jan 22, 2012 8:22:39 GMT -5
I had no idea Bane was hispanic until I played Arkham City.
Also, while some people say they have a hard time understanding him (which is perfectly fine, I did too at some points in the trailer), I think Bane has such an awesomely badass voice. He sounds like someone breathing on a lung machine speaking through a megaphone, only an intimidating version of that.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 22, 2012 10:10:42 GMT -5
On the issue of the mask, again, I can understand comic book purists preferring to see the lucha mask of the comics, but I actually think the one he is wearing in this film works great. I believe it was designed to invoke the mask that Hopkins wore as Hannibal the Cannibal, but more than that it was meant to look almost like a torture device, which will make it ironic that Bane relies on it to relieve pain via an anesthetic gas. But I also think it may have had a couple of simpler reasons in mind: by exposing part of his face we can see him react to things and express some emotional response, but also it gave them an excuse to alter Hardy's voice in the editing room since, on top of being British, his natural speaking voice is actually rather high. And it has occurred to me that by going with this gas instead of venom they negate the whole "pull the tube out" scenario we have seen in the comics and cartoons so many times already. And even then, if Batman wants to get an advantage by cutting Bane off from his pain-killing gas, he will have to get that much closer and more physical to be able to do it. In a way it makes Bane even more dangerous.
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