DavidArquette
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Post by DavidArquette on Oct 13, 2011 13:48:33 GMT -5
Yes, it's definitely lost importance due to MitB, EC, Two World Titles and that the Title change hands every few weeks. I enjoyed this years Royal Rumble but really it didn't matter one bit to Del Rio. He went to Wrestlemania and lost then he won Money in the Bank, cashed in and won the Title, lost it and won it again at Hell in a Cell.
I think the Royal Rumble would be significant again if they got rid of one of the World Titles, moved Elimination Chamber to a month or two before Survivor Series and maybe moved MitB to a month after 'mania. Have those 3 big Title opportunities at the beginning, middle and end of the year. Regardless, the Rumble is still a fun match. Really enjoyed Punk this year and last.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 13:58:46 GMT -5
I don't think it has lost its importance. Maybe in kayfabe, but in reality come within a few months of the rumble and that's most of the discussion here.
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Post by Branimal on Oct 13, 2011 14:02:24 GMT -5
They really should stick to the fact that it gives you an automatic "MAIN EVENT" spot at WrestleMania. The fact that Del Rio kicked off Mania really made "the biggest Royal Rumble in history" seem not as big of a deal.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 13, 2011 14:58:02 GMT -5
Still is a big event. It holds a lot of history and groundbreaking, exciting moments.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Oct 13, 2011 16:08:58 GMT -5
It probably doesnt help that we get the Elimination Chamber inbetween which also seems to effect the Wrestlemania main event.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 14, 2011 0:03:06 GMT -5
Since we know it's not going to change this year with Rock vs Cena already being advertised as the main event (and it shouldn't be any other way), I think they need to have some fun with it. Have a midcard guy win the Rumble and have Cena win the WWE Title at the Rumble since he's SO insistent on having it be on the line in the match. Have the midcarder come out during a Cena and Rock promo before EC and declare he's using his title shot to go after the WWE Title effectively shoehorning his way into one of the biggest WWE matches in the past decade. Have some kind of screwy finish in the Elimination Chamber match where it almost seems Cena purposely lost the match to protect the Mania ME. Of course, that's not the case...but you can have both the midcarder call out Cena for "tanking" the match and screwing him out of a career defining match...and you can also have Rock call Cena out for being scared of the Rumble winner. You protect your Mania ME and help put over whoever wins the Rumble in the process.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 14, 2011 0:25:07 GMT -5
Yes, it's definitely lost importance due to MitB, EC, Two World Titles and that the Title change hands every few weeks. I enjoyed this years Royal Rumble but really it didn't matter one bit to Del Rio. He went to Wrestlemania and lost then he won Money in the Bank, cashed in and won the Title, lost it and won it again at Hell in a Cell. I think the Royal Rumble would be significant again if they got rid of one of the World Titles, moved Elimination Chamber to a month or two before Survivor Series and maybe moved MitB to a month after 'mania. Have those 3 big Title opportunities at the beginning, middle and end of the year. Regardless, the Rumble is still a fun match. Really enjoyed Punk this year and last. Honestly, the way I'd change it up is; - Elimination Chamber becomes a Survivor Series exclusive match. (Since it matches the concept of the PPV.)
- Get rid of the "Cash in at any time" stipulation for MiTB and make it an automatic Number 1 contenders slot at the Royal Rumble (since that's when a lot of Midcarders tend to get title shots) or Summerslam.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 14, 2011 0:44:26 GMT -5
Honestly, the way I'd change it up is; - Elimination Chamber becomes a Survivor Series exclusive match. (Since it matches the concept of the PPV.)
- Get rid of the "Cash in at any time" stipulation for MiTB and make it an automatic Number 1 contenders slot at the Royal Rumble (since that's when a lot of Midcarders tend to get title shots) or Summerslam.
As much as the MitB has devalued the worth of a Rumble win, I don't think they should change up the way it's used. Instead, I think they need to go back to having one MitB ladder match AT MANIA instead of having two matches on it's own PPV. It's like WWE is handing out title shots like candy. (Rumble win, Elimination Chamber win for brand that Rumble winner didn't pick, two MitB shots.) Also, I think they need to have more faces win the MitB match since they're more likely to cash in for a straight up title match. (RVD at ONS, Daniel Bryan at Mania.)
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Post by DSR on Oct 14, 2011 0:48:54 GMT -5
Yes, it's definitely lost importance due to MitB, EC, Two World Titles and that the Title change hands every few weeks. I enjoyed this years Royal Rumble but really it didn't matter one bit to Del Rio. He went to Wrestlemania and lost then he won Money in the Bank, cashed in and won the Title, lost it and won it again at Hell in a Cell. I think the Royal Rumble would be significant again if they got rid of one of the World Titles, moved Elimination Chamber to a month or two before Survivor Series and maybe moved MitB to a month after 'mania. Have those 3 big Title opportunities at the beginning, middle and end of the year. Regardless, the Rumble is still a fun match. Really enjoyed Punk this year and last. Honestly, the way I'd change it up is; - Elimination Chamber becomes a Survivor Series exclusive match. (Since it matches the concept of the PPV.)
- Get rid of the "Cash in at any time" stipulation for MiTB and make it an automatic Number 1 contenders slot at the Royal Rumble (since that's when a lot of Midcarders tend to get title shots) or Summerslam.
It might also help if there was only one MITB match in the year, make it interbrand and let the winner face the champ of his choosing. Admittedly that means they would have to think of something else for 8 guys on the roster to do since they took out one MITB match, but it could be done.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Oct 14, 2011 0:51:23 GMT -5
It's lost SOME importance due to MitB, but not all. It's still next to mania my favorite PPV.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 14, 2011 1:09:34 GMT -5
I love the Rumble (and battle Royales for that matter) but it has lost impact for three reasons. 1.Two titles to go for means your not guaranteed the Main Event and I classify the main event as the last match at Wrestlemania. The Rumble just means you get to go to WM for a title shot. 2. It's not chaotic enough, it is far too contrived in its current state. Say you have Dolph, Goldust and Kofi in the ring and Rey Mysterio appears as the next entrance. You can guarantee he will come along and hit the 619 and a hurricanrana, probably eliminating one those guys once he gets there. It is just a finisher higlight reel spot fest there is no old school lets have 15 guys in the ring brawling at the same time anymore. Plus from a ring psychology point of view you should be going nowhere near the top turnbuckle. The Rumble is missing its chaos which leads to ... 3. The winner is not suprising, one might argue that since Big John Studd/victor gets a title shot 92 onward the winner has never been a shock, which in itself is a problem. Odds are that either a story is so well telegraphed that its obvious which wrestler will win (Hogan in 91, Austin in 98, HHH in 2002) or a popular choice wil win such as John Cena, Punk, Randy Orton, Triple H, Undertaker, Miz or Big Show. Which is fine but it lacks that element of the Rumble being an anything can happen match. What they need to do one year is have someone win completely from left-field be it an unlikely higher card contender who isn't doing anything, a midcarder or even a suprise entrant (and I don't mean someone who is on the Injury list.) If Wade Barrett, Kofi Kingston or say DDP won the Rumble this year it would really shake things up for the PPV Rumble as an anyone can win it deal. Thats my opinion on the Rumble these days anyway. Three simple things: Prize has devalued, lack of chaos, result fairly predictable.Excellent post: the way the Rumble is structured in recent years it's harder for lower-card talents to come out looking strong by hanging tough for a long time, since, as you say, too much of it feels like a finisher-fest. It's too polished, especially for a gimmick match where the whole appeal is seeing a dozen guys just brawling all at once. And yes, having two World Titles is one of WWE's greatest all-around problems. It's adverse effect on the Rumble is just one of it's ill effects.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 14, 2011 14:51:39 GMT -5
As much as the MitB has devalued the worth of a Rumble win, I don't think they should change up the way it's used. Instead, I think they need to go back to having one MitB ladder match AT MANIA instead of having two matches on it's own PPV. It's like WWE is handing out title shots like candy. (Rumble win, Elimination Chamber win for brand that Rumble winner didn't pick, two MitB shots.) Also, I think they need to have more faces win the MitB match since they're more likely to cash in for a straight up title match. (RVD at ONS, Daniel Bryan at Mania.) My main problem with the current concept of MiTB is that save for Edge, and arguably CM Punk's second cash in, nobody has really come out looking strong after cashing in. RVD admittedly screwed himself over, but guys like Swagger and Miz ended up having mediocre reigns, and Kane winning was completely redundant. It might also help if there was only one MITB match in the year, make it interbrand and let the winner face the champ of his choosing. Admittedly that means they would have to think of something else for 8 guys on the roster to do since they took out one MITB match, but it could be done. It'd certainly make winning the thing a lot more important though. MiTB is pretty much the new KoTR tournament; midcarder gets a guaranteed main event push. If they were to keep the same stipulations (which I they will anyway) I agree with you, there should just be one 8 man match, 4 from both brands.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 15:22:17 GMT -5
It has been devalued, but it's still fun as hell to watch.
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