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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 14, 2011 14:52:17 GMT -5
And the "old Fat guys" looked like legit badasses, some of the young guys with "great bodies" look like total posers that will crumble in a legit fight. There's a limit with me. I would much rather have John Morrison backing me up in a fight than (the late) Dick Bulldog Brower. |
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 14, 2011 14:54:39 GMT -5
I think Orton had a mock one when he was still green with his broken arm.  His shoulder is up to 32% mobility! That's two percent more than last week. And it's only possible because of the support of you, the amazing WWE fans! Please continue to send all of your emails to getwellrandy@wwe.com, because with your support he'll be back in no time.  (He should've brought back the RNN after he busted his collarbone at Extreme Rules 2008.) I swear, I miss Evolution/Legend Killer!Orton. He may have acted like a child backstage, but he was a lot more interesting than he is now. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 14, 2011 17:52:14 GMT -5
This is one of the saddest things I've ever read. You don't even know what a person who is actually strong looks like, do you? You actually have gotten to the point where you think a guy like Ezekiel Jackson is healthier and has a better body than a guy like Haku or Bob Backlund. Unbelievable. What? Ezekiel Jackson is healthier, and does have a better body than both of those guys ever had. It's totally believable. I meant Meng as a guy who was stronger than Jackson, and Backlund as a guy who was healthier than Jackson. I think both of those are pretty indisputable. Actually strong guys are stocky and thick and usually have not a small amount of fat on them. Actually athletic guys sometimes look kind of weird and can even seem a bit flabby. Freakin' Colt Cabana is one of the healthiest-looking guys I've seen in a wrestling ring ( in that I watch him and am not worried his tendons and ligaments will wear out in five seconds), and he's in really good shape, but people call him fat and say he doesn't look athletic. It's just sad that people think "bodybuilder body" means "healthy, strong, useful body" when it really doesn't. And that it's actually gotten to the point that bodybuilders, whose frames often can't even support their own weights for too long at a time, are considered the prime when that's a completely bizarre and made-up standard of judgment. |
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Post by thekingofoldschool on Oct 14, 2011 17:58:13 GMT -5
sale's of luchadore mask's
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Post by potpie on Oct 14, 2011 18:05:08 GMT -5
His shoulder is up to 32% mobility! That's two percent more than last week. And it's only possible because of the support of you, the amazing WWE fans! Please continue to send all of your emails to getwellrandy@wwe.com, because with your support he'll be back in no time. (He should've brought back the RNN after he busted his collarbone at Extreme Rules 2008.) This reminds me so much of reading NHL updates on the condition of Sidney Crosby. "Wait...he's wearing a blue helmet today- that means he has on clean underwear!" |
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Post by jadison on Oct 14, 2011 19:40:29 GMT -5
I agree - watching the majority matches/promos from 10-15 years ago (and beyond) is pretty much like watching everything in slow motion with cheesey promos and unathletic lookin' dudes. I much prefer today's style to someone holding their fist in their, shaking it, looking around, shaking it again, then punching his opponent being the highlight of a match. At least back then, they knew how to make that punch mean something. Now days, Miz can land 250 punches in a match and not do any damage or get any reaction. Old wrestling was "boring", but they worked a lot smarter. |
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Oct 14, 2011 20:00:54 GMT -5
I would agree that a faster pace modern day match does not necessarily make wrestling more exciting, but there's a fine line to be sure.
My answer to the topic would be the amount of ref bumps. Back in the day, the ref would either get railed or distracted in what seemed like most matches, leading to the finish. Very rarely would there ever be a clean sequence to end the match.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Oct 14, 2011 23:18:37 GMT -5
What? Ezekiel Jackson is healthier, and does have a better body than both of those guys ever had. It's totally believable. I meant Meng as a guy who was stronger than Jackson, and Backlund as a guy who was healthier than Jackson. I think both of those are pretty indisputable. Actually strong guys are stocky and thick and usually have not a small amount of fat on them. Actually athletic guys sometimes look kind of weird and can even seem a bit flabby. Freakin' Colt Cabana is one of the healthiest-looking guys I've seen in a wrestling ring ( in that I watch him and am not worried his tendons and ligaments will wear out in five seconds), and he's in really good shape, but people call him fat and say he doesn't look athletic. It's just sad that people think "bodybuilder body" means "healthy, strong, useful body" when it really doesn't. And that it's actually gotten to the point that bodybuilders, whose frames often can't even support their own weights for too long at a time, are considered the prime when that's a completely bizarre and made-up standard of judgment. When the average NBA, NFL or UFC star takes off their shirt they look a lot more like Jackson than Haku or Backlund. If the idea is that we are supposed to believe that these guys are athletes in peak condition that's what they should look like. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 14, 2011 23:28:58 GMT -5
This is one of the saddest things I've ever read. You don't even know what a person who is actually strong looks like, do you? You actually have gotten to the point where you think a guy like Ezekiel Jackson is healthier and has a better body than a guy like Haku or Bob Backlund. Unbelievable. What? Ezekiel Jackson is healthier, and does have a better body than both of those guys ever had. It's totally believable. Maybe, but even at 52 (Haku) and 62 (Backlund) I would put even money one either of them in a shoot fight against the much younger and larger Jackson (33). |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 14, 2011 23:31:12 GMT -5
And the "old Fat guys" looked like legit badasses, some of the young guys with "great bodies" look like total posers that will crumble in a legit fight. There's a limit with me. I would much rather have John Morrison backing me up in a fight than (the late) Dick Bulldog Brower. Well, yeah. The dead guy can't help you much in a fight. |
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Post by giffyjames on Oct 14, 2011 23:36:48 GMT -5
entrance ways were NOT better back then. also cameras and pyro didnt go together. look at mania 6........the cameras werent built to capture the pyro to say the least
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Oct 14, 2011 23:38:46 GMT -5
I think production values are 10X better than they used to be. Some of it is advanced technology sure, but I think having actual professionals running sound, lighting, pyro and overall production makes the product look crisp. I really disagree with this. I feel RAW and Smackdown are now overproduced messes. The ring doesn't feel like just a ring anymore. It, the stage, ramp, barrier, and pyro all feel like too much of a "set". Because that's what it is. I feel the current look of the WWE feels too much like a videogame or rock concert. It's lost the feeling of athletic competition that the old setups had. Old School RAW last year looked amazing. The thing that the WWE does better now is anything the divas do in-ring compared to 15 years ago. I remember when Sable doing a powerbomb was UNBELIEVABLE. It was incredible when a woman did any wrestling move at all. Now Eve is doing a moonsault on the regular, and Kelly Kelly is doing some kinda tarantula-esque thing. Natalya's finisher is the sharpshooter! Last year they were even better with Layla hitting the Diamond Dust in some matches. |
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 15, 2011 0:05:23 GMT -5
The TV shows aren't mostly filled with jobber matches. When was the last letter-writing campaign they had? They were all utterly bad. "Get Well Hulkster". Tugboat coming on screen telling us how "Hulkster's DOWN, man! He feels like giving it all up!" (Okay, I fell for it. I remember writing, because they sent back two "friendship bracelets" - one for Hulk and the other for Ultimate Warrior.) Those were supposedly done to help build up the WWF's mailing list for sending out catalogs and such. |
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