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Post by Stu on Jul 30, 2012 1:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 1:48:59 GMT -5
I only see the series ending one of two ways. Either Jesse is the last one standing, or Saul is. My theory is Walt is either going to die disgraced and alone by his family or he's going to win the game but going to be really depressed about it since he had to kill either Skyler, Hank, or Jesse and eventually die from his cancer with regret. My theory other how the episode is written, but Hank recovering symbolizes the closer he is to reaching the truth. The healthier he is on screen, the closer he gets. Also can we change this thread to Breaking Bad Discussion or something.
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Post by rawthentic on Jul 30, 2012 2:18:13 GMT -5
I think it will turn out that Walt was thinking of the Todd guy that told him about the Nanny cam in the house. Although it's random that he would be thinking of him during that particular scene, it's also kind of random for him to be thinking of Victor.
There is more similarities between Todd and Victor than there is for the others. Mike is a partner. Jessie is a partner. They are not stepping over the line as they have as much stake in it as Walt. They also need Mike otherwise they have nothing. That includes dealing with "his guys". It's not about the money.
Todd broke the very first rule on the very first day by approaching Walt and Jessie without being spoken to first. While telling them about the nanny cam was useful info, it kind oversteps his role and he's taking "liberties" becoming involved in the actual process of them cooking meth by making sure they don't get caught on camera.
Similar to Victor overstepping his role as a henchman by learning the cooking process and then taking "liberties" moving himself up the chain by starting to cook without Gus's permission. Victor thought he was helping and doing something to make Gus happy, but Gus didnt appreciate Victor looking to move up without permission. Just like Walt didnt seem that appreciative of Todd telling him about the nanny cam. Gus killed Victor for that reason and made a statement to the others(Mike included) that he was the boss. I think Walt will do something similar by killing Todd with Jesse, Mike, and Saul(possibly the other pest control guys) present.
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Post by Stu on Jul 30, 2012 2:30:53 GMT -5
Rawthentic, you are brilliant!!
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Post by Rican on Jul 30, 2012 8:29:43 GMT -5
I think it will turn out that Walt was thinking of the Todd guy that told him about the Nanny cam in the house. Although it's random that he would be thinking of him during that particular scene, it's also kind of random for him to be thinking of Victor. There is more similarities between Todd and Victor than there is for the others. Mike is a partner. Jessie is a partner. They are not stepping over the line as they have as much stake in it as Walt. They also need Mike otherwise they have nothing. That includes dealing with "his guys". It's not about the money. Todd broke the very first rule on the very first day by approaching Walt and Jessie without being spoken to first. While telling them about the nanny cam was useful info, it kind oversteps his role and he's taking "liberties" becoming involved in the actual process of them cooking meth by making sure they don't get caught on camera. Similar to Victor overstepping his role as a henchman by learning the cooking process and then taking "liberties" moving himself up the chain by starting to cook without Gus's permission. Victor thought he was helping and doing something to make Gus happy, but Gus didnt appreciate Victor looking to move up without permission. Just like Walt didnt seem that appreciative of Todd telling him about the nanny cam. Gus killed Victor for that reason and made a statement to the others(Mike included) that he was the boss. I think Walt will do something similar by killing Todd with Jesse, Mike, and Saul(possibly the other pest control guys) present. Yeah I could see this happening. Nice theory.
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Post by Rican on Jul 30, 2012 8:31:22 GMT -5
Side note, but last week I stumbled on some huge possible spoilers for the rest of the season that if true, are a huge mind f*** and I'm going to be really pissed that I spoiled myself. Starting next episode I see if they're true or not.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jul 30, 2012 12:34:34 GMT -5
Walt just might end up banging Marie. And what an additional twist there, eh? It's been established that Marie always has to outdo Skylar and get the attention for herself, and Hank might find out about both Walt banging Marie AND being Hank's White Whale from Walt himself.
This show is amazing with all the threads of possible outcomes they put out there(and the reasons for them). Walt vs. Jessie. Walt vs. Hank. Walt vs. Mike and his guys.
They've been playing up the "Walter becoming Scarface" thing from the start, and with last night's episode and the opening of this season starting with Walt on the run purchasing a machine gun, I really think/hope this all ends in a hail of bullets.
Remember how Walt once lamented that he didn't want Walt Jr.'s last memories of his dad to be like his, with Walt hooked up to machines in the hospital making ratting noises when he breathes?
I think this might all come together, with Walt seemingly being shot to pieces in a standoff against Mike and his guys(with Jessie showing up seperately after not being able to decide if he wants to be there when Walt gets shot up and being the guy to hit Walt with the shot that takes him down), only to survive and be in the hospital living off of machines with Walt Jr. looking on.
Anyways, this show is amazing and has GOT to have a Ragnarok-like ending in terms of epicness.
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Post by Stu on Jul 30, 2012 12:56:09 GMT -5
What if Walt wasn't talking about Todd during that discussion about Victor? What if he meant Mike? Because I don't know about you, but I really think Mike owned Walt during that scene at the end, and he probably didn't like it. Could that have been the first step toward a Walt/Mike feud? The fact is, although Walt has the drugs, Mike has his guys and knows how to do business. Both can be powerful men and may cause trouble for each other.
On another random note, remember when Walt beat up that guy for making fun of Walt Jr. in the clothing store? Imagine if that happened now. That guy would be dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 13:12:11 GMT -5
Walt's feelin himself way too hard. The nerve of him to argue with Mike over that money.
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Post by Stu on Jul 30, 2012 13:21:01 GMT -5
Mike, Todd and Skylar. You have all angered Walt. What the hell do you have to say for yourself?
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jul 30, 2012 13:39:56 GMT -5
I think it will turn out that Walt was thinking of the Todd guy that told him about the Nanny cam in the house. Although it's random that he would be thinking of him during that particular scene, it's also kind of random for him to be thinking of Victor. There is more similarities between Todd and Victor than there is for the others. Mike is a partner. Jessie is a partner. They are not stepping over the line as they have as much stake in it as Walt. They also need Mike otherwise they have nothing. That includes dealing with "his guys". It's not about the money. Todd broke the very first rule on the very first day by approaching Walt and Jessie without being spoken to first. While telling them about the nanny cam was useful info, it kind oversteps his role and he's taking "liberties" becoming involved in the actual process of them cooking meth by making sure they don't get caught on camera. Similar to Victor overstepping his role as a henchman by learning the cooking process and then taking "liberties" moving himself up the chain by starting to cook without Gus's permission. Victor thought he was helping and doing something to make Gus happy, but Gus didnt appreciate Victor looking to move up without permission. Just like Walt didnt seem that appreciative of Todd telling him about the nanny cam. Gus killed Victor for that reason and made a statement to the others(Mike included) that he was the boss. I think Walt will do something similar by killing Todd with Jesse, Mike, and Saul(possibly the other pest control guys) present. While this is a great theory, it doesn't seem logical enough. Todd telling Walt about the camera is not the same as Victor taking matters in his own hands and cooking meth without Gus' permission to make him happy. Telling Walt very useful information is not trying to move-up the chain, so I doubt Walt would kill Todd over that, regardless of his descension to becoming the villain. If anything, I can see Walt killing Todd over breaking the first rule than killing him for basically saying "Heads up, there's a camera".
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jul 30, 2012 13:42:18 GMT -5
Mike, Todd and Skylar. You have all angered Walt. What the hell do you have to say for yourself? "We're in danger."
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Post by Massive G on Jul 30, 2012 13:51:45 GMT -5
We're going to need a gif of Jesse stealing that tortilla.
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Post by Rican on Jul 30, 2012 13:55:09 GMT -5
What if Walt wasn't talking about Todd during that discussion about Victor? What if he meant Mike? Because I don't know about you, but I really think Mike owned Walt during that scene at the end, and he probably didn't like it. Could that have been the first step toward a Walt/Mike feud? The fact is, although Walt has the drugs, Mike has his guys and knows how to do business. Both can be powerful men and may cause trouble for each other. On another random note, remember when Walt beat up that guy for making fun of Walt Jr. in the clothing store? Imagine if that happened now. That guy would be dead. That's what I saw it as but the Todd thing kind of makes sense too. Mike is going to be Walt's downfall. Walt does not control him and he's an idiot to think so.
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Post by Perd on Jul 30, 2012 14:24:47 GMT -5
I think Walt may have even been talking about Jesse, right to his face. Think about the context in which Gus killed Victor. He was showing Walter, that this is what happens when you cross me or overstep your bounds.
Jesse has gone from being Walt's helper to full fledged partner. He has no problem offering his opinions, on all matters regarding their buisness and he's shown he can cook without Walt. When Walt acts like a petulant child over money, Jesse offers to pay Mike's guys out of his cut. Walt very well may see all these things, as Jesse overstepping his bounds.
I know Walt as shown loyalty to Jesse in the past. But the whole thing with Gale, always seemed like a pissing contest with Gus. Gus wants Walt to cook with Gale. Walt, as usual, can't haven't any other way, but his way. But now Walt is a partner. There's no one telling him whom to cook with. Maybe Walt is starting to think Jesse is no longer of use to him.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see Walt start to look at Todd as his future apprentice. A replacement for Jesse. once Walt gets rid of him. Walt gets a new lackey, which in my opinion, is all he ever wanted Jesse to be and he gets to keep more of the monet, that he obviously cares dearly about.
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Post by Frosty on Jul 30, 2012 14:46:15 GMT -5
I don't think Walt wanted to get rid of Gale because he saw himself losing his superior position. At first, he needed to get rid of Gale to bring Jesse back to save Hank from a lawsuit. Then he needed to get rid of Gale because he believed he'd be killed once Gale learned everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:50:45 GMT -5
I think Walt was referring to Mike. Killing Todd may open an investigation and those burglar exterminator guys wouldn't want to work with him anymore. Gus can get away with it but that's because Gus has a big reputation.
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Post by rawthentic on Jul 30, 2012 18:01:33 GMT -5
It can be Mike. I forget there is only 13 shows left in the series and i expect the s*** to hit the fan on this whole operation long before the end. So maybe Walt starts trying to figure out ways to knock off Mike while keeping his connections, maybe a role reversal from last season where Gus needed Walt for the production but also wanted to make him expendable. Walt needs Mike for his connections but he might spend the next few episodes trying to make it so he no longer needs Mike...and Jessie might serve as a protecter for Mike like he was for Walt last season.
I definitely expect the Todd character to be a key character in the next few episodes. My very first thought after the scene where he tells Walt about the Nanny cam was that he was an undercover cop. However, in the last scene i leaned towards him being a lamb for Walt in the next couple episodes. We'll see.
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Post by Stu on Jul 30, 2012 18:04:11 GMT -5
The fact there are only 13 episodes does put things into perspective. Yes, the season is being split up and we have an entire year or so until the end. But from a storyline perspective, that's not really a lot of time for them to squeeze in the final story. Things are going to be moving pretty fast, me thinks.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 31, 2012 1:08:19 GMT -5
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