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Post by PKO on Jun 16, 2012 11:05:41 GMT -5
The thing that annoys me in this whole ongoing discussion of "She's a nerd! No she's not! She panders! No she doesn't!" is this:
I have no qualms about saying she's nerdy; she clearly is. She likes nerdy things...but she DOES pander to fans. The problem is when people take pandering to mean pretending. When I say she panders to fans I'm not saying she's pretending to like this stuff, I'm saying she plays up her nerdy aspect to appeal to fans more. Is that a bad thing? Not at all; that's what people in the public eye do all the time to get people to like them...especially in wrestling. There's nothing wrong it, it just gets irritating sometimes.
I hate that "she's pandering" has become a punchline for some people to make fun of other fans opinions.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 16, 2012 11:26:35 GMT -5
I don't think it can really be claimed that there's not 'some' creep factor involved given that there was an entire pseudo meme created in a picture thread based on speculating on whether or not the girl liked anal.
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Post by Essential1 on Jun 16, 2012 11:26:38 GMT -5
I'm enjoying what is going on right now with her and her acting is really good but I would have to say that whenever she gets on the mic she kind of seems a bit obnoxious. Mickie James was endearing and never really came across cocky or annoying IMO.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Jun 16, 2012 11:46:02 GMT -5
The thing that annoys me in this whole ongoing discussion of "She's a nerd! No she's not! She panders! No she doesn't!" is this: I have no qualms about saying she's nerdy; she clearly is. She likes nerdy things...but she DOES pander to fans. The problem is when people take pandering to mean pretending. When I say she panders to fans I'm not saying she's pretending to like this stuff, I'm saying she plays up her nerdy aspect to appeal to fans more. Is that a bad thing? Not at all; that's what people in the public eye do all the time to get people to like them...especially in wrestling. There's nothing wrong it, it just gets irritating sometimes. I hate that "she's pandering" has become a punchline for some people to make fun of other fans opinions. My favorite thing is that I think it came from a thread I made that was intended to be fairly light hearted. I started it because I thought that AJ wearing a t-shirt that said Punk Rock on it was hilarious.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Jun 16, 2012 11:53:41 GMT -5
I don't think it can really be claimed that there's not 'some' creep factor involved given that there was an entire pseudo meme created in a picture thread based on speculating on whether or not the girl liked anal. Oh I'm sure, but you can get that with pretty much any woman on the internet. It's when people paint in broad strokes and assume all fans of hers are creeps is when I personally get annoyed.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 16, 2012 12:04:54 GMT -5
It's only creepy once someone goes all girlfriend experience and think they are the object of their desire's boyfriend. I seen a number folks on this forum who are borderlining. And it's not just exclusive to AJ and males.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 12:42:07 GMT -5
AJ's in a good storyline, and she's fun to watch, and this is a wrestling board where people go to express opinions, positive and negative. For some to sit back and read all the adulation and make a bunch of judgments on an entire group of people (AJ fans) based on a a minority of them saying some nasty stuff is unfair. That's what brings about this supposed "white knighting", it's not even purely about the performer it's about disagreeing with the people bashing her and her fans.
I feel unfairly judged for being a fan of her as a performer (which I was not at first, by the way, her recent work won me over), allegedly it's just because I'm a weirdo nerd basement dweller that wants to bang 14 year olds. I think others feel the same way, thus arguments. I like AJ, and find her angle with Punk/Bryan/Kane the best thing going on in WWE right now (not a ton of competition mind you). And yet, I don't give a s*** about comic books, or video games, I don't live in a basement, and I'm not a pedophile. I don't think I'm an exception either.
edit: From wading through the thread, it seems like the "people like her because she's into nerdy stuff" is overblown, most people are either saying she's really sexy or that they like the angle, or both. They go hand in hand anyway, seeing as the angle is about a girl using her attractiveness with mysterious intentions.
The "I LOVE AJ SHE MUST BE MINE" thread made earlier though...hurts my point, haha. I just wanna have faith in people!
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 16, 2012 12:58:52 GMT -5
AJ's heading in the right direction, but having seen what this place was like in 2006 (though I signed up the year later, I did see the archives), she's nowhere near the devotion and adulation that Mickie got.
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Post by Orange on Jun 16, 2012 13:33:37 GMT -5
I really like her, she seems like a nice IRL girl and her character is incredible. I'm loving this current angle, and she's the main reason why. With her weirdness and Kane getting creeped out/confused by her, it easily beats Punk's lame puns.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jun 16, 2012 13:34:57 GMT -5
Well since I started the thread, I guess it's fair to explain my thoughts more in detail. First off, I want to make clear that I don't think every fan of AJ is creepy (I didn't even use those words in the OP). I'm comparing the level of devotion and peak of popularity of one wrestler to another. If by comparing any fanbase to Mickie's an automatic assertion that said fanbase must be full of a bunch of creeps, wouldn't that be just as equaly unfair generalition for Mickie fans? "I maybe a fan of AJ, but I'm nothing like those fans".
Secondly, for my thoughts on rather she's pandering or not. Yes, I do think she is pandering, but I do also think she legitimately likes the things she claims she does. Like others have pointed out however, I'm just as annoyed that there are other performers who have the same interests (who just don't make it their gimmick, and exploit the very culture they belong to) who folks don't fawn over.
Finally, as my thoughts of her as a performer, overall I think she's okay. I gave her props for her "wrestling acting" in another thread. Ringwise, she still needs some work. For a woman her size, the offense she uses is just not all that believable. I just don't buy her doing much damage against anyone. But despite that, do I think she'll be face of the Divas Division in the near future, due to her "appeal". I knew that from day one when she got signed.
But I also knew that same appeal would attract some unwanted attention as well. She's a perfect storm for it: A.) she looks underage. B.) She has just barely enough experience on the indys to get a pass from hardcore fans. C.) She has interests in geeky things, and advertises on twitter and at times on tv, giving fans that have never met the woman a sense of her being a kindred spirit. And that can be a very slippery slope.
Off-Topic though: The post that had the line: "He never did get those curly fries." was one the funniest posts I've ever read. Bravo. ;D
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Post by PKO on Jun 16, 2012 16:42:09 GMT -5
I said no on page one but now I'm changing my answer to yes one day later.
*Multiple threads about her *People saying "Shes the best thing in the world!" *People saying "She's not even that good!" *People saying "She's dreadful" *People insulting her fans "Her fans like her because she looks underage!"
Everything seems to have been multiplied by ten in the course of 24 hours.
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Post by Richard on Jun 16, 2012 16:45:39 GMT -5
I said no on page one but now I'm changing my answer to yes one day later. *Multiple threads about her *People saying "Shes the best thing in the world!" *People saying "She's not even that good!" *People saying "She's dreadful" *People insulting her fans "Her fans like her because she looks underage!" Everything seems to have been multiplied by ten in the course of 24 hours. That's probably due to this thread, to be honest. Being in the position she is now is obviously going to lead to more attention, so it's understandable that people will want to discuss her, but it seems this thread launched everyone into taking sides, and then parody threads were made. The whole thing is a mess.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jun 16, 2012 16:47:38 GMT -5
I said no on page one but now I'm changing my answer to yes one day later. *Multiple threads about her *People saying "Shes the best thing in the world!" *People saying "She's not even that good!" *People saying "She's dreadful" *People insulting her fans "Her fans like her because she looks underage!" Everything seems to have been multiplied by ten in the course of 24 hours. That's probably due to this thread, to be honest. Being in the position she is now is obviously going to lead to more attention, so it's understandable that people will want to discuss her, but it seems this thread launched everyone into taking sides, and then parody threads were made. The whole thing is a mess. j/k
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Post by norsisclouds on Jun 16, 2012 16:53:08 GMT -5
BTW-- people do realize that the PHILIPPINES is in the Pacific right? It's an east asian island/country? Big Dave and AJ are both Asians. Yes, yes we do. Problem is, AJ's not Filipina; she's Puerto Rican. No actually. I was responding to the guy that didn't seem to know the Philippines was in Asia. I don't care what ethnicity she is, but thanks for the correction.
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Post by paywindah on Jun 16, 2012 17:19:09 GMT -5
Just wait until Paige starts gaining momentum... Exactly. Paige will make everyone forget about this whole AJ fad.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 16, 2012 18:51:37 GMT -5
It only looks that way now because there are like 5 threads (including this one) about her in some way. Give it about...a week (maybe two) and it won't seem nearly as bad.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jun 16, 2012 18:58:54 GMT -5
The thing that annoys me in this whole ongoing discussion of "She's a nerd! No she's not! She panders! No she doesn't!" is this: I have no qualms about saying she's nerdy; she clearly is. She likes nerdy things...but she DOES pander to fans. The problem is when people take pandering to mean pretending. When I say she panders to fans I'm not saying she's pretending to like this stuff, I'm saying she plays up her nerdy aspect to appeal to fans more. Is that a bad thing? Not at all; that's what people in the public eye do all the time to get people to like them...especially in wrestling. There's nothing wrong it, it just gets irritating sometimes. I hate that "she's pandering" has become a punchline for some people to make fun of other fans opinions. My favorite thing is that I think it came from a thread I made that was intended to be fairly light hearted. I started it because I thought that AJ wearing a t-shirt that said Punk Rock on it was hilarious. That thread was hilarious, I never knew people could get that worked up over a t-shirt.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 16, 2012 18:59:41 GMT -5
My favorite thing is that I think it came from a thread I made that was intended to be fairly light hearted. I started it because I thought that AJ wearing a t-shirt that said Punk Rock on it was hilarious. That thread was hilarious, I never knew people could get that worked up over a t-shirt. Sometimes these thread are better than RAW itself,i'm telling you
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Post by Kev The Omniscient on Jun 16, 2012 19:02:33 GMT -5
I don't think it can really be claimed that there's not 'some' creep factor involved given that there was an entire pseudo meme created in a picture thread based on speculating on whether or not the girl liked anal. Wasn't that just one guy who made that comment, though? And the rest of the thread was just mocking said comment? I highly doubt everybody was seriously speculating her level of skill in a certain sexual act.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jun 16, 2012 19:05:02 GMT -5
Just wait until Paige starts gaining momentum... Exactly. Paige will make everyone forget about this whole AJ fad. Nah, she's way too fat.
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