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Post by Big L on Dec 28, 2011 17:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by Fantozzi on Dec 28, 2011 17:36:25 GMT -5
So yeah, it would be interesting to hear him cut an intense or serious promo with this character. why should he? he's a comedy character
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 28, 2011 17:37:24 GMT -5
Don't get the Ryder hate, the guy is above average in the ring and actually good on the mic. What is there to dislike? You can't win them all I guess. We will talk about promo's when he finally gets angry or says something other than his WWWYKI on the mic.All I have ever seen him do is his catchphrases and talk really, really, really fast. When you put it like that you make him sound like a midcard version of The Rock! ...That actually fits a lot. HE'S THE BROSKI'S CHAMP. I expect serious Ryder to be basically the same character he is right now, except go from "WOAH I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M HERE WOO WOO WOO" to "I'm so damn good WOO WOO WOO." ...So really I kind of expect him to turn into Rock 2.0 if they ever try to fix his character. I mean hey, "people/broski's champ," catchphrases, sunglases indoors...it works! ...Huh. I was actually joking when I started the comparison but I can see his character going that direction.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2011 17:39:33 GMT -5
So yeah, it would be interesting to hear him cut an intense or serious promo with this character. why should he? he's a comedy character Even a comedy character has to cut a serious promo once in a while, especially one that is carrying around a title. You can't get into a heated feud over the belt with someone and just put on a goofy smile and start shouting out catchphrases.
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Post by Fantozzi on Dec 28, 2011 17:43:18 GMT -5
why should he? he's a comedy character Even a comedy character has to cut a serious promo once in a while, especially one that is carrying around a title. You can't get into a heated feud over the belt with someone and just put on a goofy smile and start shouting out catchphrases. he made a "serious promo" to build up the TLC match on his web show but yes, as long as he stays a comedy character he may as well just shout out catchphrases
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 28, 2011 17:43:33 GMT -5
I keep hearing that he takes his gimmick a little too seriously in real life. Which I don't know about, but take twitter for example, for a guy who owes everything to fans, is he really quite so gracious to them for literally saving his career? Nope, still a recluse towards the little people. Even when he wasn't super-popular, you had to wear his shirt for him to even RT you. Pretty classic example of the hipster dilemma. People didn't like him because he was a stellar guy, people liked him because he was underground and underrated. Well now that he's commercialized and pushed, he's not underground or underrated anymore, and he's still not a stellar guy, so where's the appeal of him as a person, not just as a performer? Oh boo hoo... My tweets weren't retweeted... How will ever I go on? He probably gets hundreds of them a day. He's a professional wrestler, not a professional Tweetmaster. This. People who bitch because someone famous doesnt Retweet or reply to them on Twitter are dicks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 17:44:48 GMT -5
I don't hate Ryder, but I don't think that he's that great either. He's just kind of there to me.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2011 17:54:46 GMT -5
Even a comedy character has to cut a serious promo once in a while, especially one that is carrying around a title. You can't get into a heated feud over the belt with someone and just put on a goofy smile and start shouting out catchphrases. he made a "serious promo" to build up the TLC match on his web show but yes, as long as he stays a comedy character he may as well just shout out catchphrases Making a segment on a web show doesn't count as a serious promo. And no, being a comedy character doesn't excuse you from ever having to cut a real promo. Any superstar that wants to be constantly over has to be multidimensional. If he gets in a heated feud with some superstar that hates him, he's not going to be able to just smile and go Woo Woo Woo. That wouldn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 17:54:56 GMT -5
Oh boo hoo... My tweets weren't retweeted... How will ever I go on? He probably gets hundreds of them a day. He's a professional wrestler, not a professional Tweetmaster. This. People who bitch because someone famous doesnt Retweet or reply to them on Twitter are dicks. I hope you're not implying that I do that. Like I already said, while he's not legally obligated to talk to fans, would it hurt to talk to them more? What's stopping him? He's not some whirlwind artist hard at work on a number of projects. Ten minutes a day wouldn't kill him, considering how dependent he's been on rallying from his fans.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 28, 2011 17:55:41 GMT -5
I like Zack Ryder for what he is: a comedy character.
That's what he is now and what he will always be to me. The whole point of Zack getting on tv was for him to evolve his character and become a big time player. Instead, the guy has done absolutely nothing to change his character and is just riding his popularity to some success. Eventually, the fad will die down and he'll be screwed.
Seriously, does anyone here actually take the catchphrase "Fist pump your face" seriously? That's on the levels of the Cobra to me. Hell, I just saw some readers of PWTorch saying Zack Ryder's going to win the Royal Rumble. How the hell did we get to this with a comedy character?
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Post by Fantozzi on Dec 28, 2011 18:03:00 GMT -5
he made a "serious promo" to build up the TLC match on his web show but yes, as long as he stays a comedy character he may as well just shout out catchphrases Making a segment on a web show doesn't count as a serious promo. the web show doesn't count? for a guy pushed for his web show and whose entire gimmick is "the guy with the web show"? for a feud born and built up on the web show? are you serious bro?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 18:05:15 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, but would a couple of responses to dedicated fans be quite so bad? That's why everybody loves Scott Stanford, not just for his awesome announcing, but because he's really quite authentic and he's happy to talk to his fans on a frequent basis. But for Zack, why do people have to buy his stuff for a chance for him to talk to them? That's so...commercial. Back to the hipster dilemma! Casual fans have no idea who Scott Stanford even is and I see him a helluva lot more doing weekend local sports reports than I do on WWE programming. It's not the hipster dilemma, it's the smark dilemma. I don't think so. Daniel Bryan and Beth Phoenix, whose characters have stayed pretty much the same since inception, are still well-liked on the internet. CM Punk was perfectly popular when he became World Champion, but the turning point in his reign happened when he became buddy-buddy with Trips and his character turned into a buzzword-spouting shill. It's more about commercialization and turning them into establishment bodies than it is about them being popular.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2011 18:10:25 GMT -5
Making a segment on a web show doesn't count as a serious promo. the web show doesn't count? for a guy pushed for his web show and whose entire gimmick is "the guy with the web show"? for a feud born and built up on the web show? are you serious bro? It doesn't count because how many people actually saw it? Maybe 100k fans? There are millions of WWE fans all over the world, so him cutting a promo online doesn't really have much effect on the feud. Plus Ryder cutting a promo on his own show allows him to write his own script as well as do multiple takes if needed. Something he wouldn't be able to do on a live episode of Raw.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 28, 2011 18:16:14 GMT -5
This. People who bitch because someone famous doesnt Retweet or reply to them on Twitter are dicks. I hope you're not implying that I do that. Like I already said, while he's not legally obligated to talk to fans, would it hurt to talk to them more? What's stopping him? He's not some whirlwind artist hard at work on a number of projects. Ten minutes a day wouldn't kill him, considering how dependent he's been on rallying from his fans. Do you do that? I dont use Twitter, so I wouldnt know. If you do bitch about them not replying to you, then you arent any different. Sometimes I wish fans would be a little more grateful on a social networking medium where wrestlers are willingly talking to fans on such a personal level. I dont know if youve seen, but Shawn Michaels often mentions a lot of fans who bitch at him for not replying. Plus you can imagine wrestlers getting the same questions, begging for a follow, trolling and stupid messages on a day to day basis. That just be pretty jading for a wrestler. Especially someone like Cena who is bound to get people giving him crap on a 24/7 basis.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 28, 2011 18:16:34 GMT -5
Oh boo hoo... My tweets weren't retweeted... How will ever I go on? He probably gets hundreds of them a day. He's a professional wrestler, not a professional Tweetmaster. This. People who bitch because someone famous doesnt Retweet or reply to them on Twitter are dicks. It's not about retweeting a specific person once again, it's about the fact that he doesn't interact with fans at all on twitter except for very rare occurrences. This is a problem with a wrestler owes ALL of his success to the fans on the Internet in the first place.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 28, 2011 18:21:42 GMT -5
This. People who bitch because someone famous doesnt Retweet or reply to them on Twitter are dicks. It's not about retweeting a specific person once again, it's about the fact that he doesn't interact with fans at all on twitter except for very rare occurrences. This is a problem with a wrestler owes ALL of his success to the fans on the Internet in the first place. Not really. He is still putting out the videos on a week to week basis. THOSE are what got him over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 18:35:24 GMT -5
I hope you're not implying that I do that. Like I already said, while he's not legally obligated to talk to fans, would it hurt to talk to them more? What's stopping him? He's not some whirlwind artist hard at work on a number of projects. Ten minutes a day wouldn't kill him, considering how dependent he's been on rallying from his fans. Do you do that? I dont use Twitter, so I wouldnt know. If you do bitch about them not replying to you, then you arent any different. Sometimes I wish fans would be a little more grateful on a social networking medium where wrestlers are willingly talking to fans on such a personal level. I dont know if youve seen, but Shawn Michaels often mentions a lot of fans who bitch at him for not replying. Plus you can imagine wrestlers getting the same questions, begging for a follow, trolling and stupid messages on a day to day basis. That just be pretty jading for a wrestler. Especially someone like Cena who is bound to get people giving him crap on a 24/7 basis. No, I don't do it, like I said earlier in this thread, but since it was in response to something that questioned whether I did or not, that's what I was afraid the implication there was. But since that's not what you were going for, no harm no foul. Plenty of wrestlers get crap thrown at them, but that doesn't mean you have to be a shut-in from people who are positive. Many wrestling fans trawl twitter trying to get a follow or RT from a wrestler for unexplainable reasons, rather than genuinely being interested in talking to them about what they do, or trading a joke or reference or something like that. And those people are an unfortunate byproduct of social networking, but there's no reason why a guy who built his success on the non-byproducts--the good fans--avoids them like the plague except for like once a week or two.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 28, 2011 18:42:06 GMT -5
I can respect that he got over, but he's not my cup tea. It's the same with Del Rio last year. A lot of people hyping him as being a Big Deal (fairly quickly) just left me scratching my head. I still firmly believe that unless he adds more to his gimmick/character, he'll be doomed with having a Santino/Eugene level status.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 19:00:12 GMT -5
I think he's saying Zack Ryder is a 13 year old kids with Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma. WWE knows it too and tries to cover up the issue. Notice how they have not once brought this up on the air.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 28, 2011 20:31:58 GMT -5
I hate him too. His character is annoying, his catchphrase is stupid, and he looks like an idiotic goof. And he's not too good in the ring either.
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