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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 20:46:50 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan either, but I got hyped when he won the U.S. Title. One thing I gotta say, it bugs the hell out of me when people attribute not liking a superstar to some kind of IWC hive mentality. As if it's not possible for someone to have their own opinion about something.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 29, 2011 20:48:42 GMT -5
You know thinking on it, Ryder is the exact opposite of being shoved down peoples throats. That usually implies WWE conditioning their fans to get behind someone the majority of them don't want to see. What happened with Ryder is the reverse of that.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 29, 2011 20:52:53 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan either, but I got hyped when he won the U.S. Title. One thing I gotta say, it bugs the hell out of me when people attribute not liking a superstar to some kind of IWC hive mentality. As if it's not possible for someone to have their own opinion about something. This is probably something that deserves its own thread. It bugged me a lot on the Daniel Bryan thread when somebody said that people should be happy because Bryan won because the IWC likes him, as if posting on the internet meant your preferences were commanded by the mysterious and almighty IWC. I mean I like Bryan and all, but that kind of thing bugs me. Someone who is not as lazy as me should make a thread about that.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 29, 2011 21:08:06 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan either, but I got hyped when he won the U.S. Title. One thing I gotta say, it bugs the hell out of me when people attribute not liking a superstar to some kind of IWC hive mentality. As if it's not possible for someone to have their own opinion about something. This is probably something that deserves its own thread. It bugged me a lot on the Daniel Bryan thread when somebody said that people should be happy because Bryan won because the IWC likes him, as if posting on the internet meant your preferences were commanded by the mysterious and almighty IWC. I mean I like Bryan and all, but that kind of thing bugs me. Someone who is not as lazy as me should make a thread about that. That's true. We may be reduced to a username here and certainly there are more than a few opinions that the overwhelming majority agree on but we are still individuals. That's why it really annoys me when people say things like "this boards does this" and "this board does that" like the forum is an entity in and of itself.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 29, 2011 21:54:23 GMT -5
Ryder's okay. He's good enough in the ring, charismatic, good on the mic, really over...but I'm personally not that invested in him. I don't think I'd miss him too much if he wasn't on TV, but I don't mind that he is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 22:09:30 GMT -5
I disagree, CM Punk worked his ass off. D Bry worked his ass off. Chris Jericho worked his ass off. All without using Youtube or Twitter to get over. What Ryder did was no better than Tila Tequila or a Justin Beiber, whoring himself out on the net to get notice. Just because Ryder didn't spend 10 years in the indys doesn't mean he hasn't worked hard to get where he's at. And he managed to get massively over. So to say you don't like him's one thing, but to say he doesn't deserve the push he's getting is ridiculous. Yeah, the idea of wrestling having one respectable path to WWE is antiquated. Things like Tough Enough have proven that wrong. I can give an anecdote about an unimpressive person who worked really hard beyond expectations, to prove my point but I feel like it'd be too obvious for someone like me. Long story short, how does Zack fit in with this? Because Zack Ryder's Youtube show is really the same basic idea. On paper, he's just some jobber. Some random nobody who's dust in the wind compared to a main eventer. But all the time and effort he put into his show was showing that he gave a damn and that he REALLY wanted to make it to the top. He admitted, in a way, that maybe he didn't have the experience or the look, or other credentials to get in. But he was willing to take matters into his own hands for fans to notice him, and that impressed management. And here he is today, United States champion, with a bright future ahead of him. You don't need to be an indy god or a physical phenomenon or the world's best actor to be a success in WWE. Giving a damn is a much bigger part of it.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 29, 2011 23:35:08 GMT -5
You know thinking on it, Ryder is the exact opposite of being shoved down peoples throats. That usually implies WWE conditioning their fans to get behind someone the majority of them don't want to see. What happened with Ryder is the reverse of that. This. And to those who say they don't want to see him. The live crowds strongly disagree. Ryder seems to have rewritten the rules on how to get over. I respect him for that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 23:44:04 GMT -5
Stuff I like:
General idea of Ryder being used regularly and being pushed, this is a good thing.
Stuff I don't like:
This thing with the faces taking a turn reminding us how awesome Ryder is. We don't need the other faces leading the crowd to do the damn Woo * 3. It's pretty annoying and actually sours me on him a little bit. Nor do we need them wearing Ryder merch. Blowing the guy is not necessary, just let him do his thing. This is where the "overpush" comes from, not Ryder winning matches.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 30, 2011 0:17:05 GMT -5
Stuff I like: General idea of Ryder being used regularly and being pushed, this is a good thing. Stuff I don't like: This thing with the faces taking a turn reminding us how awesome Ryder is. We don't need the other faces leading the crowd to do the damn Woo * 3. It's pretty annoying and actually sours me on him a little bit. Nor do we need them wearing Ryder merch. Blowing the guy is not necessary, just let him do his thing. This is where the "overpush" comes from, not Ryder winning matches. Not to nitpick your criticism of Ryder, but I think you misunderstand the WWE's intentions. They're not trying to overpush Ryder, they're trying to harness his overness to make others over. Tagging the guy who everyone chants for at MSG and other live events with the new WHC who DOESN'T get as many chants (D-Bryan), and having Cena be his personal pimp will help them get cheered more, too. Eve never gets a reaction when she wrestles, but when she did the Broski Boot and the fist pump with Ryder, she got the biggest pop of her career.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 30, 2011 0:21:50 GMT -5
I think it's a bit of both. CM Punk doing the fist pump? Yeah, that helps Ryder. Eve doing the fist pump? That helps Eve.
...So really I think they all just love doing the fist pump. Either that or WWE writers just see it as such a fun spot to write that they can't resist writing it without any deeper reason.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 30, 2011 0:37:53 GMT -5
Anyone else remember when Ryder wrestled Undertaker in the main-event of Smackdown and everyone said he was a future main-eventer? Thank God WWE chose him over Hawkins.
Oh and remember when he started doing the "Woo Woo Wee Woo Woo!" thing on Dirt Sheet and asked us to "Clap it up bro, clap it up!" Then he went months without his own wikipedia page.
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