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Post by Beartato on Dec 29, 2011 6:30:08 GMT -5
Who would you say are, in your opinion, "total packages" right now on the roster?
In this case, let's say that means that they're more than above average in-ring, can cut compelling promos, and have a good look (marketable, not too scrawny or out of shape, memorable, interesting)
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Post by B'Cup x on Dec 29, 2011 6:40:27 GMT -5
Far and away CM Punk, followed by Sheamus and Ziggler x
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Post by Cam on Dec 29, 2011 6:41:11 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio (if given the chance and not told to say the same thing every week) CM Punk Dolph Ziggler John Cena The Miz (See Del Rio) Christian Cody Rhodes Randy Orton Sheamus Wade Barrett
Some of those guys haven't perfected certain things, but they are good enough at those things that I consider them to have the total packages. Wade and Miz aren't as good in the ring as the rest of that group, but they are still capable of having great matches.
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Post by PKO on Dec 29, 2011 6:49:28 GMT -5
CM Punk, Sheamus, John Cena, Dolph Ziggler is getting there but has some fine tuning to do.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 29, 2011 8:52:25 GMT -5
Punk Wade Barrett Ziggler Randy Orton Christian John Cena (when he leaves out the lame jokes, the guy can cut some excellant promos when he's been more serious. I also like him when he's in a sarcastic mood. It's just the lame jokes occasionly kill his promos) Cody Rhodes Sheamus Alberto Del Rio (I know he has his critics of late, including me, but the problem isn't Del Rio himself. It's just his character needs a bit of a tweak to keep it fresh imo)
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Post by Beartato on Dec 29, 2011 14:51:37 GMT -5
I would only say CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, and John Cena. Ziggler is almost there.
Didn't think about Sheamus but he would qualify. Just needs to stop the stories...they're cringeworthy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 14:54:00 GMT -5
CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Sheamus, John Cena. Ziggler and Barrett are very close.
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Post by grunt on Dec 29, 2011 15:00:45 GMT -5
Punk, Sheamus, Ziggler, Cena. And Orton, depending of the feud and his motivation.
That's about it for total packages. Despite his online popularity, I've never been able to see anything more than an upper mid carder in Cody. Esp now that he lost his masked villain gimmick.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 29, 2011 15:26:39 GMT -5
Punk, Sheamus, and Triple H top the list currently, but there's room for guys like Barrett and R-Truth as well. Ziggler will make it once his promo skills get better.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 29, 2011 15:29:04 GMT -5
Sheamus, there isn't a single thing that he doesn't qualify for on the "ideal wrestler" checklist. Even Punk misses out on the "intimidating look" catergory.
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Post by clifford on Dec 29, 2011 15:31:52 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is far from the total package. I can't be the only one that still thinks he sucks on the mic. The only time I've been entertained by him outside the ring was on NXT season 4. I don't even think he could get as much heat as he does without Vickie to be honest.
Punk is pretty close, so is Cena. Sheamus is a good choice too.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Dec 29, 2011 15:32:58 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler great look, good on the mic, can go in the ring and is very believeable with his amateur background
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Post by BigWill on Dec 29, 2011 15:46:16 GMT -5
I'd have to say Punk and Ziggler. Most other superstars seem to have at least one thing that they lack to complete the package.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 17:03:51 GMT -5
Kane
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Post by Celgress on Dec 29, 2011 18:13:44 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler, 'nough said
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Post by perpetualn00b on Dec 29, 2011 18:15:18 GMT -5
Cena, by far, takes this. Punk and Sheamus would round out the top 3. Others are close (Wade needs to get better in ring, Ziggler needs to get better on the mike, and I'm not convinced on Rhodes' look), but not there yet.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 29, 2011 18:37:16 GMT -5
I'd be more pressed to give this to Woi or Ziggler. Hell, I'd put Kofi on here too, WWE shoehorning be damned.
CM Punk has a lot of qualities but from the way he moves and wrestles his matches, he doesn't strike me as the most athletic or coordinated. It's fine in his case because Punk's matches don't revolve around him having to be the most athletic guy out there, but I wouldn't call him the "total package."
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Post by TheDarkestKnight on Dec 29, 2011 18:39:33 GMT -5
I'll actually give the nod to Drew McIntyre. The guy has a great look, women seem to find him gorgeous and his in ring style is intense and brutal. He isn't the worst on the mic, just a shame where he is on the card at the moment.
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Post by Bishblast on Dec 29, 2011 18:40:31 GMT -5
Ziggler is closest (barring his height), but I can't go without mentioning Sheamus. Can't say Punk, because his build really isn't good... even as a fan of smaller guys (and he's pretty tall), he doesn't look threatening at all.
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 29, 2011 18:41:40 GMT -5
Punk, Ziggler, Christian, Barrett, Rhodes,
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