BigJerichool222
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 29, 2011 14:47:25 GMT -5
If they change Cena, not even just a heel turn, just a change in general that may appeal to the older crowd, they're just going to start cheering him instead.
Actually turning Cena heel may make him the biggest face in the company.
WWE is genius.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Dec 29, 2011 14:56:23 GMT -5
Adults aren't booing Cena because he is a face. They're booing him because he is as stale as 6 year old shit.
they wont start cheering him automatically if he turns heel.
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Post by Tiger Maskooo on Dec 29, 2011 14:58:35 GMT -5
I really dont think it'll lead to cheers. Honestly,I think alot of people just hate john cena no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 14:59:59 GMT -5
Adults aren't booing Cena because he is a face. They're booing him because he is as stale as 6 year old s***. they wont start cheering him automatically if he turns heel. Agreed. His character has barely progressed in the past three years. Sure, he's not TEH MAREEN anymore, but so what? How can being "regular goofy asskicker" go on without some personal change or conflict? Lack of continuity in a show that goes on and on and on really destroys a character when he doesn't grow or mature. Look at Cody Rhodes. How has he stayed fresh? He's progressed. He has the same core mindset he always has, but extenuating circumstances have changed his emotions. Or Sheamus. He was originally a swaggering arrogant guy. Now he's a swaggering badass. But in between he's been modified and tweaked slightly, back and forth, depending on different contexts so that his character stays fresh. The same needs to be done with Cena.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2011 15:03:08 GMT -5
I think a number of his detractors here would start to cheer for him due to the reasoning of being heel=greatness.
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Post by cool guy on Dec 29, 2011 15:03:59 GMT -5
Adults aren't booing Cena because he is a face. They're booing him because he is as stale as 6 year old s***. they wont start cheering him automatically if he turns heel. It depends. If turning him heel changes his character enough, he won't be stale anymore and when they turn him face again they can just keep whatever new elements they added and he'll be much better off. Or, they can turn him heel by playing up the stuff people dislike about him already, in which case he'll be absolutely despised, which is great because the WWE needs a heel wrestler with that kind of heat right now. It's sort of a win-win, really.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 29, 2011 15:05:13 GMT -5
JOOOOHN!!
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 29, 2011 15:10:02 GMT -5
They are tired of his goofy t-shirts, his shitty comeback involving weak looking shoulder tackles and his submission that he can't even apply correctly. His late promos involving corny jokes that aren't funny. His whole "I don't care" attitude.
They aren't booing him because he's a face, it's because as others as said, he's stale as old shit.
Or they just want to rebel against the kids/women in the audience.
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Post by Cela on Dec 29, 2011 15:12:57 GMT -5
Cena and the Boos sounds like a lounge act.
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Post by Nerdkiller the threadkiller on Dec 29, 2011 15:18:27 GMT -5
Cena and the Boos sounds like a lounge act. Meh. I'd much rather prefer Cena and his booze at Cheers.
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Post by alliedbiscuit on Dec 29, 2011 15:59:26 GMT -5
They are tired of his goofy t-shirts, his s***ty comeback involving weak looking shoulder tackles and his submission that he can't even apply correctly. His late promos involving corny jokes that aren't funny. His whole "I don't care" attitude. They aren't booing him because he's a face, it's because as others as said, he's stale as old s***. Or they just want to rebel against the kids/women in the audience. The ECW ONS crowd had it right when they chanted "SAME OLD s***" and that was in 2006. Sigh.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 29, 2011 16:03:19 GMT -5
Cena was getting booed in 2005 too...not to the extent that he is now, but it was still very common. It's not so much that he's stale as it is that his character f***ing sucks. For comparisons sake; Rey, Batista, and other faces were stale after years of doing the exact same thing but they still got cheered because their basic character wasn't so terribly cheesy. Older fans will cheer for a bad ass good guy forever but there's no reason for them to cheer a boyscout.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 29, 2011 16:12:07 GMT -5
Turning John is such a risky idea though. Not only is there a chance that like you said it'll just turn Cena face, but it could also lead to Cena's merchandise sales and even drawing power taking a hit. Just because the guys that hated him before are on his side, and whose to say they will be, doesn't mean that the kids and women who cheered him before and paid for his stuff will do the same when he turns his back on them.
Once Stone Cold turned heel at the top of his run it really started a downslide of the WWE as a whole. Can you imagine how bad that would be for them right now if a Cena heel turn did the same thing to their already unimpressive profits? And the same thing happened to Jeff Hardy in TNA. Once the guy turned heel their house show business plummeted and I don't think it ever really recovered since then.
Heel Cena has never really been in that many positions to draw on top so it's unproven whether or not the guy would bring in the same people to watch him get his ass kicked as they did to watch him kick the ass of others. Sure, there was One Night Stand where he defended against RVD, but Cena really wasn't a heel that night either. You could also argue Cena vs Punk at One Night Stand for alot of people, but again Cena still wasn't actually a heel even though alot of people that night treated him as one then as well.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Dec 29, 2011 16:12:21 GMT -5
Yes I know they're booing him because he's stale. I didn't mean he's booed because he's a face. I'm saying changing him will make him no longer stale and people won't hate him as much. By embracing the boos, the boos will stop. The issue is if they're going to turn him heel, the older anti-cena fans will love it because it's fresh and a HUGE and impactful change. Older fans love heels; not all heels, but most heels. Cena turning heel would spark a huge pop from the people who have been begging for it for years.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 29, 2011 19:28:39 GMT -5
Adults aren't booing Cena because he is a face. They're booing him because he is as stale as 6 year old s***. they wont start cheering him automatically if he turns heel. Agreed. His character has barely progressed in the past three years. Sure, he's not TEH MAREEN anymore, but so what? How can being "regular goofy asskicker" go on without some personal change or conflict? Lack of continuity in a show that goes on and on and on really destroys a character when he doesn't grow or mature. Look at Cody Rhodes. How has he stayed fresh? He's progressed. He has the same core mindset he always has, but extenuating circumstances have changed his emotions. Or Sheamus. He was originally a swaggering arrogant guy. Now he's a swaggering badass. But in between he's been modified and tweaked slightly, back and forth, depending on different contexts so that his character stays fresh. The same needs to be done with Cena. wrestlers do not need chracter development. Despite the fact the results are scripted they are not characters in a TV show with character development. They should be fully realized people when they show up and and real people don't change that much or easily.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 19:48:19 GMT -5
Agreed. His character has barely progressed in the past three years. Sure, he's not TEH MAREEN anymore, but so what? How can being "regular goofy asskicker" go on without some personal change or conflict? Lack of continuity in a show that goes on and on and on really destroys a character when he doesn't grow or mature. Look at Cody Rhodes. How has he stayed fresh? He's progressed. He has the same core mindset he always has, but extenuating circumstances have changed his emotions. Or Sheamus. He was originally a swaggering arrogant guy. Now he's a swaggering badass. But in between he's been modified and tweaked slightly, back and forth, depending on different contexts so that his character stays fresh. The same needs to be done with Cena. wrestlers do not need chracter development. Despite the fact the results are scripted they are not characters in a TV show with character development. They should be fully realized people when they show up and and real people don't change that much or easily. I disagree with that. Wrestling is just as much of an ongoing story as comic books or soap operas, and should be written in a similar way. Watching real people isn't remotely interesting and it's so damn cartoony even when it is being played seriously that there's no reason to try and obscure it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 29, 2011 19:48:41 GMT -5
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Post by mrjl on Dec 29, 2011 19:59:06 GMT -5
wrestlers do not need chracter development. Despite the fact the results are scripted they are not characters in a TV show with character development. They should be fully realized people when they show up and and real people don't change that much or easily. I disagree with that. Wrestling is just as much of an ongoing story as comic books or soap operas, and should be written in a similar way. Watching real people isn't remotely interesting and it's so damn cartoony even when it is being played seriously that there's no reason to try and obscure it. watching real people is boring because the routine of the average person is far from the most exsiting thing in the world. But wrestlers don't expereince a normal routine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 21:57:02 GMT -5
That's the entire point of turning Cena heel.
The WWE knows that it'll not only add another layer to Cena's character but he won't be stale, he'll evolve, he'll be in better feuds, a lot can be done based on that and of course people will boo and cheer and boo and cheer but eventually because of it and I'm sure Cena even the people booing will say "Wow Cena is a great heel when he needs to be" and will be on the guy's side. Eventually heel get people behind him again with his new character and sides will switch. He'll go back being a face, won't be stale and he'll be cheered, even if a few boo chances are it's not going to be as bad as before not even close and along with that he'll be a mix of face and heel Cena. Overall Cena will greatly benefit from this.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 29, 2011 22:13:31 GMT -5
That's the entire point of turning Cena heel. The WWE knows that it'll not only add another layer to Cena's character but he won't be stale, he'll evolve, he'll be in better feuds, a lot can be done based on that and of course people will boo and cheer and boo and cheer but eventually because of it and I'm sure Cena even the people booing will say "Wow Cena is a great heel when he needs to be" and will be on the guy's side. Eventually heel get people behind him again with his new character and sides will switch. He'll go back being a face, won't be stale and he'll be cheered, even if a few boo chances are it's not going to be as bad as before not even close and along with that he'll be a mix of face and heel Cena. Overall Cena will greatly benefit from this. I can't think of anyone in the WWE Cena needs to be a heel to wrestle or even feud with
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