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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 17:04:48 GMT -5
Pushed to the moon? When was The Miz pushed to the moon? Alongside John Morrison as like the only competent tag team in the company, complete with weekly web show. And it counts as a push to the moon because before that Miz was doing nothing but jobbing to Matt Hardy
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 27, 2011 17:11:46 GMT -5
I don't think Cena legit hates the Miz..............I think it may be one of those situations where two guys just dont work well together in a match. That did happen with Mickie James and Melina, where no matter how much they tried..........they were not going to be able to put forth a good match.
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 27, 2011 17:26:04 GMT -5
Eep. OP, am I supposed to come away from that theory respecting Cena? Because if he was even a tenth as petty and unprofessional as this makes him out to be, I'd totally despise the guy. Cena's professionalism is hands-down the most likable thing about him.
I think Cena's just imperfect and occasionally is ineffective in something he's trying to do. That's what happened with Miz, I believe, not a deliberate sabotage on Cena's part.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Dec 27, 2011 18:05:45 GMT -5
He was, though. Just because he had some hardships at first doesn't mean that once his push started, they were relentless about it. Miz was absolute garbage, so they saddled John Morrison with him. Morrison carried him through ECW until WWE thought Miz was a good promo guy (no idea where they got that idea). Then he shows up on RAW and is momentarily embarassed by Cena, but then he comes back with a new look and they fed the entire RAW midcard to him. He stays on a continual push to Money in the Bank, he cashes in and wins, and then he carries the WWE Title through multiple crappy matches and yet they still seem insistent on pushing the guy. Other guys are seemingly expected to be the second coming to get a push that good. Kofi Kingston is better than Miz. MVP was WAY better than Miz. Chris Masters was better than Miz. Drew McIntyre is lightyears ahead of Miz. Where is their push? Hell, two of them got fired. Agreed 100% here - you hit the nail on the head. Miz has been given way more chances than he deserves, and has been treated far better than he should. He has tons of merchandise, gets mic time every week, is usually in main event matches, and was one of the longest reigning WWE champs in a while. Meanwhile in pure wrestling talent he's about the bottom of the barrel in the current WWE (I'd say Otunga and Ryan are the only guys worse than him). His mic skills aren't bad but he says the same stuff every week. Really? Really? I am the most must see WWE champ even though I haven't been champ in months. If almost anybody else had as many poor matches as him they'd be pushed down the card super fast, but Miz just keeps sticking around like a turd you can't quite flush. My only guess is since he looks about 12 years old, maybe Vince got confused and thought he was a Make-A-Wish Kid that wanted to be a WWE superstar. Both of you nailed it.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 27, 2011 18:13:27 GMT -5
You know that Citizen Kane gif is really becoming annoying with it's overuse.
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Post by crimsonwolf on Dec 27, 2011 18:22:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah definitely, Going from Host of Smackdown, to Diva Search host, to being banned from the locker-room, to being on ECW just screams guy who got pushed to the moon. He was, though. Just because he had some hardships at first doesn't mean that once his push started, they were relentless about it. Miz was absolute garbage, so they saddled John Morrison with him. Morrison carried him through ECW until WWE thought Miz was a good promo guy (no idea where they got that idea). Then he shows up on RAW and is momentarily embarassed by Cena, but then he comes back with a new look and they fed the entire RAW midcard to him. He stays on a continual push to Money in the Bank, he cashes in and wins, and then he carries the WWE Title through multiple crappy matches and yet they still seem insistent on pushing the guy. Other guys are seemingly expected to be the second coming to get a push that good. Kofi Kingston is better than Miz. MVP was WAY better than Miz. Chris Masters was better than Miz. Drew McIntyre is lightyears ahead of Miz. Where is their push? Hell, two of them got fired. Not liking the Miz is all well in good, but to complain about him being undeserving of whatever push he's gotten is stupid. Not everyone gets to break the glass ceiling is frustating, but to take it out on the Miz because he actually did is just being spiteful. And frankly, Miz was a better promo guy than Morrison. Their single's career was a testament to that (Miz has managed to stay over while Morrison ranged from being average to abysmal.) And no, I don't call someone who finally got a main event run in his 5th/6th year with the company as being pushed to the moon.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 27, 2011 18:28:10 GMT -5
He was, though. Just because he had some hardships at first doesn't mean that once his push started, they were relentless about it. Miz was absolute garbage, so they saddled John Morrison with him. Morrison carried him through ECW until WWE thought Miz was a good promo guy (no idea where they got that idea). Then he shows up on RAW and is momentarily embarassed by Cena, but then he comes back with a new look and they fed the entire RAW midcard to him. He stays on a continual push to Money in the Bank, he cashes in and wins, and then he carries the WWE Title through multiple crappy matches and yet they still seem insistent on pushing the guy. Other guys are seemingly expected to be the second coming to get a push that good. Kofi Kingston is better than Miz. MVP was WAY better than Miz. Chris Masters was better than Miz. Drew McIntyre is lightyears ahead of Miz. Where is their push? Hell, two of them got fired. Not liking the Miz is all well in good, but to complain about him being undeserving of whatever push he's gotten is stupid. Not everyone gets to break the glass ceiling is frustating, but to take it out on the Miz because he actually did is just being spiteful. Hell, hating the Miz for things outside his control is spiteful not to mention incredibly petty. Yet that's all I'm seeing in this thread.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 27, 2011 18:38:33 GMT -5
I am the most must see WWE champ even though I haven't been champ in months. He does say that, as well as a lot of other things, because heels in general don't believe in modesty. I wouldn't take it too seriously. I doubt they dislike each other, since Cena could veto working with Miz if he really didn't want to. If anything, I think it's since they have been enemies for years now, kayfabe, so without Edge around and Orton as a face, they're pretty much archenemies. So the derision will tend to be more brutal, especially since it's not like Miz shows Cena any respect, either. They put each other down constantly on-air. This right here. With Edge gone, Orton face, and Barrett on SmackDown, Miz is pretty much the closest thing, if not the only thing Cena has that comes closest to a rival/archenemy/nemesis/etc. Ergo, he's sort of expected to have a little more venom towards him, and Miz towards Cena.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 27, 2011 18:44:26 GMT -5
Miz always comes off as needy when doing an angle involving Cena, in a way that no one else does. So it kind of figures Cena reacts to him differently than most people
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Post by mrjl on Dec 27, 2011 18:46:02 GMT -5
Agreed 100% here - you hit the nail on the head. Miz has been given way more chances than he deserves, and has been treated far better than he should. He has tons of merchandise, gets mic time every week, is usually in main event matches, and was one of the longest reigning WWE champs in a while. Meanwhile in pure wrestling talent he's about the bottom of the barrel in the current WWE (I'd say Otunga and Ryan are the only guys worse than him). His mic skills aren't bad but he says the same stuff every week. Really? Really? I am the most must see WWE champ even though I haven't been champ in months. If almost anybody else had as many poor matches as him they'd be pushed down the card super fast, but Miz just keeps sticking around like a turd you can't quite flush. My only guess is since he looks about 12 years old, maybe Vince got confused and thought he was a Make-A-Wish Kid that wanted to be a WWE superstar. Both of you nailed it. I'll agree on McIntrye and Kofi, but MVP and Masters had a couple of strikes against them. In Masters case literally. And MVP is older than a lot of superstars.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 27, 2011 18:56:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah definitely, Going from Host of Smackdown, to Diva Search host, to being banned from the locker-room, to being on ECW just screams guy who got pushed to the moon. He was, though. Just because he had some hardships at first doesn't mean that once his push started, they were relentless about it. Miz was absolute garbage, so they saddled John Morrison with him. Morrison carried him through ECW until WWE thought Miz was a good promo guy (no idea where they got that idea). Then he shows up on RAW and is momentarily embarrassed by Cena, but then he comes back with a new look and they fed the entire RAW midcard to him. He stays on a continual push to Money in the Bank, he cashes in and wins, and then he carries the WWE Title through multiple crappy matches and yet they still seem insistent on pushing the guy. Actually, again, he wasn't. Randy Orton was practically ordained the future of the business by year one, if not day one, and won his first world title within two years. To say that Miz was "pushed to the moon" because he's further than you want him to be or you feel he should be means you either don't know what that phrase means or you don't care. The tag-team with Morrison was just as much about helping Miz as it was about helping Morrison. Think about it; on one side, you had a two time ECW champion who was exciting in the ring, but blew ass charisma-wise. On the other hand, you had the reality show guy who could talk well. In essence, what you consider "saddling Morrison with him" someone else would consider "giving Morrison a much-needed mouthpiece and heat saver." As far as his in-ring ability, I find the only problem to be with it that they're intent on making him seem stronger than he really is. He's a cowardly heel; he's supposed to cheat, to use weapons, to do anything and everything he has to do to win or keep titles. To book him as anything stronger than that is a mistake. But as far as workrate or actual skill goes; he may not be the most flashy individual in the company, but I find him pretty sound. Other guys are seemingly expected to be the second coming to get a push that good. Kofi Kingston is better than Miz. MVP was WAY better than Miz. Chris Masters was better than Miz. Drew McIntyre is lightyears ahead of Miz. Where is their push? Hell, two of them got fired. Your entire second paragraph is flawed. Very flawed. McIntyre either can't get heat or can't sustain heat, and I say that as one of his fans. MVP wasn't fired, he asked for his release; and Chris Masters, for all of his improvement, wasn't exactly electrifying (outside of the chest popping, I found him kind of average). Kofi's about the only person I agree with you that they dropped the ball on.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 27, 2011 19:45:34 GMT -5
I never found Chris Masters entertaining, same for Drew McIntyre. I'm not a Miz fan, but I think he's got more upside than either of those two guys.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2011 19:50:00 GMT -5
I never found Chris Masters entertaining, same for Drew McIntyre. I'm not a Miz fan, but I think he's got more upside than either of those two guys. I like Masters and McIntyre, but I recognize that, of the 3, Miz is most over and has the most potential to be marketed. Hell, think about it: has Miz ever made the company look bad in a media appearance? They send him out there for a reason: Like Cena, they can count on him to deliver.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 27, 2011 20:10:34 GMT -5
He was, though. Just because he had some hardships at first doesn't mean that once his push started, they were relentless about it. Miz was absolute garbage, so they saddled John Morrison with him. Morrison carried him through ECW until WWE thought Miz was a good promo guy (no idea where they got that idea). Then he shows up on RAW and is momentarily embarassed by Cena, but then he comes back with a new look and they fed the entire RAW midcard to him. He stays on a continual push to Money in the Bank, he cashes in and wins, and then he carries the WWE Title through multiple crappy matches and yet they still seem insistent on pushing the guy. Other guys are seemingly expected to be the second coming to get a push that good. Kofi Kingston is better than Miz. MVP was WAY better than Miz. Chris Masters was better than Miz. Drew McIntyre is lightyears ahead of Miz. Where is their push? Hell, two of them got fired. Not liking the Miz is all well in good, but to complain about him being undeserving of whatever push he's gotten is stupid. Not everyone gets to break the glass ceiling is frustating, but to take it out on the Miz because he actually did is just being spiteful. And frankly, Miz was a better promo guy than Morrison. Their single's career was a testament to that (Miz has managed to stay over while Morrison ranged from being average to abysmal.) Morrison's overness varied because the WWE was constantly yo-yo pushing him. He was over as hell during his feud with Sheamus last year, and then not so much once he got into that losing streak after his injury return. Whereas Miz has been pretty much made constantly relevant most of his career, so it was much easier for him to stay over.
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 27, 2011 20:33:39 GMT -5
Just a random aside, dont pin the Mania main event on Miz. Cena stunk that one up just as much as Miz. I was thinking just this. Miz was just as he usually is during that match. Cena stunk the place up all the way through. It's obvious he wasn't happy about something, and one can only assume it was the clusterf*** of an ending that came afterwards. I imagine bouncing his head off the concrete floor probably didn't help either.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 27, 2011 20:47:45 GMT -5
Not liking the Miz is all well in good, but to complain about him being undeserving of whatever push he's gotten is stupid. Not everyone gets to break the glass ceiling is frustating, but to take it out on the Miz because he actually did is just being spiteful. And frankly, Miz was a better promo guy than Morrison. Their single's career was a testament to that (Miz has managed to stay over while Morrison ranged from being average to abysmal.) Morrison's overness varied because the WWE was constantly yo-yo pushing him. He was over as hell during his feud with Sheamus last year, and then not so much once he got into that losing streak after his injury return. Whereas Miz has been pretty much made constantly relevant most of his career, so it was much easier for him to stay over. And as Michelle McCool can tell you, constancy = overness- no exceptions.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 27, 2011 20:50:13 GMT -5
I'm a Miz fan and even I legit hate the Miz.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 27, 2011 20:52:47 GMT -5
Let's get Coral to beat up Cena
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 27, 2011 20:56:06 GMT -5
I never found Chris Masters entertaining, same for Drew McIntyre. I'm not a Miz fan, but I think he's got more upside than either of those two guys. I like Masters and McIntyre, but I recognize that, of the 3, Miz is most over and has the most potential to be marketed. Hell, think about it: has Miz ever made the company look bad in a media appearance? They send him out there for a reason: Like Cena, they can count on him to deliver. And that's the truth of it. Miz may not be the most talented guy on the roster, but he's proven himself to have something far more important in the world of sports entertainment - marketability and reliability.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 27, 2011 21:08:53 GMT -5
Agreed 100% here - you hit the nail on the head. Miz has been given way more chances than he deserves, and has been treated far better than he should. He has tons of merchandise, gets mic time every week, is usually in main event matches, and was one of the longest reigning WWE champs in a while. Meanwhile in pure wrestling talent he's about the bottom of the barrel in the current WWE (I'd say Otunga and Ryan are the only guys worse than him). His mic skills aren't bad but he says the same stuff every week. Really? Really? I am the most must see WWE champ even though I haven't been champ in months. If almost anybody else had as many poor matches as him they'd be pushed down the card super fast, but Miz just keeps sticking around like a turd you can't quite flush. My only guess is since he looks about 12 years old, maybe Vince got confused and thought he was a Make-A-Wish Kid that wanted to be a WWE superstar. My God this was so epic and sums up my complete dislike of the Miz as well. Haha you're not alone.
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