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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 26, 2011 23:24:01 GMT -5
Let me posit this question to everyone:
IF they're setting up a Cena heel turn, which angle would be the best approach?
1) Kane (or some other person/persons) pushes Cena into finally recognizing how messed up the crowd's treatment of him is, and he decides to turn heel.
2) Kane (or some other person/persons) pushes Cena into finally acknowledging how much the crowd's treatment of him hurts.
The difference between this and 1) is that in this instance, Cena's resentment over the crowd's treatment of him was always there, he just was forcing it down and trying not to let it bother him even though, deep down, it did. In 1), he truly doesn't bother him until someone makes him realize "Hey, this is f***ed up. You fans suck."
3) Cena is revealed, a la Hogan, to have always been about the money and the fame, and this "Rise Above Hate" and "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect" jargon was just a way to sell more t-shirts and make himself more famous.
4) He comes to a conclusion, independently of anyone's prodding, that he's sick of the fans booing him and cheering The Rock (a guy who's hardly ever around), and decides to turn heel.
Which, based off of what happened tonight, do you think would be the best way for them to go?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 23:26:09 GMT -5
Yeah, tonight made me think there's no way a Cena heel turn is happening. My guess is they tease it some more, have people trying to get him there, and he starts to embrace it but eventually realizes the error of his ways and goes back to his usual self.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 26, 2011 23:27:35 GMT -5
Yeah, tonight made me think there's no way a Cena heel turn is happening. My guess is they tease it some more, have people trying to get him there, and he starts to embrace it but eventually realizes the error of his ways and goes back to his usual self. That's the way I see it. He gets close to the edge, but he subsequently overcomes the odds of Kane's temptations and kicks his ass, like the usual.
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Post by wwefan71080 on Dec 26, 2011 23:27:46 GMT -5
WWE is stole this script from George Lucas, and it may make Cena more relevent shortly
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Post by Piccolo on Dec 26, 2011 23:37:00 GMT -5
man i never really noticed it until tonight but DAMN! Ziggler has SHRUNK...hes so skinny and lean now its almost ridicilious how much his body changed. When he was the caddy and with the spirit squad he was much bulkier, and when he debut at Dolph, he was cut to hell with mass...Them he slowly lost mass but was still cut like crazy...now hes cut, but hardly has ANY mass to him.....someone must have gotten off the juice The more people that get off the juice, the better. I thought he looked awesome tonight.
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Post by jadison on Dec 26, 2011 23:46:01 GMT -5
WWE is stole this script from George Lucas, and it may make Cena more relevent shortly Is Cena Anakin? It seems like everyone is Palpatine lately.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2011 23:46:12 GMT -5
Yeah, tonight made me think there's no way a Cena heel turn is happening. My guess is they tease it some more, have people trying to get him there, and he starts to embrace it but eventually realizes the error of his ways and goes back to his usual self. Yeah, the WWE isn't know for anything exciting or putting much effort into anything. If they were going to turn him heel they wouldn't have used Kane to push him towards the edge. If anything he would've already started showing signs of it without Kane's promo.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 26, 2011 23:47:01 GMT -5
When did Kane turn into a game show host?
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Post by moneyman20 on Dec 26, 2011 23:49:20 GMT -5
If they were going to go this route of having someone lead Cena to snap, why not have it be someone with a history of being a manipulative bastard? Like HHH.
Kane has always been a psychotic monster. There's nothing manipulative about him.
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Post by wwefan71080 on Dec 26, 2011 23:49:40 GMT -5
WWE is stole this script from George Lucas, and it may make Cena more relevent shortly Is Cena Anakin? It seems like everyone is Palpatine lately. Cena is the equivlent and Kane is saying basicly embrace the dark side
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 26, 2011 23:50:03 GMT -5
If they were going to go this route of having someone lead Cena to snap, why not have it be someone with a history of being a manipulative bastard? Like HHH. or Edge.
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Post by moneyman20 on Dec 26, 2011 23:51:48 GMT -5
If they were going to go this route of having someone lead Cena to snap, why not have it be someone with a history of being a manipulative bastard? Like HHH. or Edge. Even better considering their history.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 27, 2011 0:41:42 GMT -5
Yeah, tonight made me think there's no way a Cena heel turn is happening. My guess is they tease it some more, have people trying to get him there, and he starts to embrace it but eventually realizes the error of his ways and goes back to his usual self. They're going to get Cena pissed off enough that when the Wrestlemania buildup starts, he'll finally stop talking about how he respects the Rock and just want to beat the shit out of him. Which, ironically, will do a lot more to get the fans to cheer for him than his squeaky-clean act ever did.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 27, 2011 1:32:10 GMT -5
Just got back from Raw. I don't know how it came off on TV, but the live crowd was hot.
After the show went off the air, Cena went down the side of the stage (around Kane's pyro spot) to the ramp and to the ring the fought Kane for a few seconds before Kane left.
The ring crew sets up the dark match main event: a steel cage match for the WWE Championship, CM Punk vs The Miz.
As the cage was being set up, Cena talks to the crowd, who keep the chants from the end of Raw going. After doing his usual "I respect the fans choice to boo me" routine, he introduces Punk.
Punk and Miz have a short (about 10 minute) cage match, which had both guys reversing each others finishers before Punk hit the GTS and getting the pin.
I have no interest in a "Cena Sucks" shirt, but I would so buy an "Embrace The Hate" shirt.
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Post by joebob27 on Dec 27, 2011 8:30:07 GMT -5
Cena isn't going to turn. They're just going to keep damaging his character, eventually forget the tease, bring back WWE Champion Super Cena and then wonder why half the audience absolutely hates him.
Like someone else said, Kane would be a damn weird vehicle to use for a turn. The crowd doesn't really like heel Kane either.
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