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Post by Hugh Mungus on Dec 26, 2011 10:17:36 GMT -5
What kind of grudge does Vince Russo have with Triple H?
I don't think Trips has any problem with Russo, but if Russo's shoot interview (don't know which one, but i think it's the one when he was with Ed Ferrara) is to be believed, he said that it was partly because of HHH, that he didn't go to the WWE in 2002 and instead signed with TNA.
I also think that the VKM angle in TNA was also mostly Russo's brainchild, combined with Billy Gunn (and to an extent, Road Dogg)'s at-the-time feelings towards with HHH.
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Post by garybusey on Dec 26, 2011 10:54:17 GMT -5
Let me just grab Vince Russo's book on my shelf. Most of it is lies but whatever.
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Post by Gelatinous Parasite on Dec 26, 2011 11:05:30 GMT -5
I don't think Trips has any problem with Russo, but if Russo's shoot interview (don't know which one, but i think it's the one when he was with Ed Ferrara) is to be believed, he said that it was partly because of HHH, that he didn't go to the WWE in 2002 and instead signed with TNA. If that's true, it was a very smart move on Triple H's part. |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Dec 26, 2011 13:38:03 GMT -5
I don't think Trips has any problem with Russo, but if Russo's shoot interview (don't know which one, but i think it's the one when he was with Ed Ferrara) is to be believed, he said that it was partly because of HHH, that he didn't go to the WWE in 2002 and instead signed with TNA. If that's true, it was a very smart move on Triple H's part. I forgot to mention that at that point in 2002, Russo was known as "that guy who killed WCW", and they (WWE) presumably wanted to keep him on a very tight leash. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 13:41:43 GMT -5
Pretty sure that another reason that Russo didn't go to the E in 2002 was because Vince knows that he is terrible.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 26, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5
Presumably Triple H would have wanted his girlfriend/fiancee at the time to continue to be WWE's head writer and not Russo. And Russo was in fact hired by WWE in 2002, only to leave days later.
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Post by jadison on Dec 26, 2011 13:46:20 GMT -5
Vince decided to hire Russo though, it was reported on WWE.com if I'm not mistaken. He only lasted a short time, was demoted to consultant during that time, and decided to take a full time position with TNA instead.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 26, 2011 14:16:11 GMT -5
Vince decided to hire Russo though, it was reported on WWE.com if I'm not mistaken. He only lasted a short time, was demoted to consultant during that time, and decided to take a full time position with TNA instead. The rumor goes that Russo wanted to work with TNA, but was still under contract with AOL/Time Warner and TNA could not afford to buy Russo's contract out. So Russo contacted WWE and said he wanted to come back, they bought out his contract and brought him back. He immediately came in with crazy ideas that got him demoted to consultant, then fired. He was then free to go to TNA. Although rumors also say he was working for them unofficially while still under his AOL/Time Warner contract. |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Dec 26, 2011 14:47:37 GMT -5
Back to the original question:
How come Russo doesn't think too highly of Triple H?
I already mentioned the Voodoo Kin Mafia angle, which I think was mostly Russo's brainchild, as well as Billy Gunn's then-feelings towards Trips (with his infamous 2004 shoot interview).
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 26, 2011 15:28:34 GMT -5
HHH seems to be an old school kinda guy, it's possible they just clashed over a lot of creative issues.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 26, 2011 16:41:43 GMT -5
Back to the original question: How come Russo doesn't think too highly of Triple H? I already mentioned the Voodoo Kin Mafia angle, which I think was mostly Russo's brainchild, as well as Billy Gunn's then-feelings towards Trips (with his infamous 2004 shoot interview). I think Russo's hard feelings came from Triple H not wanting him back in 2002. Russo said he never had any personal problems with Triple H so obviously his own feelings on HHH seem to stem from that. It's also worth noting that it was under Russo's writing that Triple H first became a main event player, though it wasn't until a few months later that he became a genuine top guy. |
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 26, 2011 16:55:13 GMT -5
I imagine something like this went down:
"Am I f***ing going over?"
"Yes but then SWERVE you take off your skin and turn out to be the undertaker!"
"That's stupid. I'm going over and that's it."
"...How dare you not let me go with the skintaker angle?"
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Dec 26, 2011 17:00:54 GMT -5
Back to the original question: How come Russo doesn't think too highly of Triple H? I already mentioned the Voodoo Kin Mafia angle, which I think was mostly Russo's brainchild, as well as Billy Gunn's then-feelings towards Trips (with his infamous 2004 shoot interview). I think Russo's hard feelings came from Triple H not wanting him back in 2002. Russo said he never had any personal problems with Triple H so obviously his own feelings on HHH seem to stem from that. I don't think Trips had a problem with Russo. He (HHH) did mention him (Russo) in his workout book, but if I can recall, he never said anything bad about Russo, nor did he praise him. Russo also claimed in his shoot interview that it was also because of JBL that he left the WWE in 2002. HHH seems to be an old school kinda guy, it's possible they just clashed over a lot of creative issues. Both Trips, Undertaker, and JBL are very much traditionalists when it comes to wrestling. |
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 26, 2011 18:02:28 GMT -5
HHH seems to be an old school kinda guy, it's possible they just clashed over a lot of creative issues. In 2002, his wife had a fake pregnancy angle, he was awarded the world title and simulated rape on a mannequin. I don't think Triple H being an old school guy would be the reason they clashed. But It's also the year that Steph became Smackdown Gm and had more power backstage. I think the rise of Steph and the positioning of her people backstage is what made it not work out. |
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 26, 2011 18:17:34 GMT -5
Russo wanted HHH, Shawn Michaels, and Stephanie to form a love triangle, ultimately leading to Shawn denouncing his Christian faith and become a satanist with the McMahon family as his followers, turning on HHH and marrying Stephanie. HHH is set to challenge Shawn for the title when Shawn reveals that HHH is really the devil, aligning the two again. DX now stands for Devil Xtremists, and HHH for Hunter Hearst HELLmsly. Kane decides to remove his mask, revealing he wasn't burnt and becomes a fighter for heaven, leading to HHH vs Kane in a heaven vs hell match, where the ring is half blue and half red. In order to win, you must pin someone in both colors. Kane pins HHH twice, but in the red side, so his victory is thrown out. Eventually, Undertaker rejoins Kane and the two face DX in an inferno match. As Shawn is about to be burned, the camera cuts to a shot of HHH, in his bed, he realizes everything was a dream. Storylines continue from where they were the night HHH, Shawn, and Steph started the three-way.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 26, 2011 18:23:21 GMT -5
I have no proof of this but I have never felt that Russo ever bought HHH as any sort of main event guy. Look at the totally lackluster way Russo booked him in 1999, from the mediocre heel turn joining the Corporation, to the uninspired push he got in the Summer of 99 leading to Summerslam vs. Austin. HHH was briefly taken out of the title match and replaced by CHYNA for crying out loud, then Foley was added to the match for a variety of reasons. HHH also jobbed the title to Vince at one point late in Russo's run. It really wasn't until after Russo left that the WWF did the Steph wedding storyline that kicked off the McMahon/Helmsley regime and HHH really took off.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 26, 2011 18:35:28 GMT -5
I have no proof of this but I have never felt that Russo ever bought HHH as any sort of main event guy. Look at the totally lackluster way Russo booked him in 1999, from the mediocre heel turn joining the Corporation, to the uninspired push he got in the Summer of 99 leading to Summerslam vs. Austin. HHH was briefly taken out of the title match and replaced by CHYNA for crying out loud, then Foley was added to the match for a variety of reasons. HHH also jobbed the title to Vince at one point late in Russo's run. It really wasn't until after Russo left that the WWF did the Steph wedding storyline that kicked off the McMahon/Helmsley regime and HHH really took off. Given Russo thinks he is a main event talent, and booked himself as a top level heel, I wouldn't really be shocked. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 19:15:06 GMT -5
Vince decided to hire Russo though, it was reported on WWE.com if I'm not mistaken. He only lasted a short time, was demoted to consultant during that time, and decided to take a full time position with TNA instead. The rumor goes that Russo wanted to work with TNA, but was still under contract with AOL/Time Warner and TNA could not afford to buy Russo's contract out. So Russo contacted WWE and said he wanted to come back, they bought out his contract and brought him back. He immediately came in with crazy ideas that got him demoted to consultant, then fired. He was then free to go to TNA. Although rumors also say he was working for them unofficially while still under his AOL/Time Warner contract. The contract part is BS. Russo was let out of his WCW contract in March 2001, very close to the same time of WWE's purchase of WCW. His extremely brief WWE return was in June 2002. |
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Post by dreamer75 on Dec 27, 2011 0:42:34 GMT -5
Russo wanted HHH, Shawn Michaels, and Stephanie to form a love triangle, ultimately leading to Shawn denouncing his Christian faith and become a satanist with the McMahon family as his followers, turning on HHH and marrying Stephanie. HHH is set to challenge Shawn for the title when Shawn reveals that HHH is really the devil, aligning the two again. DX now stands for Devil Xtremists, and HHH for Hunter Hearst HELLmsly. Kane decides to remove his mask, revealing he wasn't burnt and becomes a fighter for heaven, leading to HHH vs Kane in a heaven vs hell match, where the ring is half blue and half red. In order to win, you must pin someone in both colors. Kane pins HHH twice, but in the red side, so his victory is thrown out. Eventually, Undertaker rejoins Kane and the two face DX in an inferno match. As Shawn is about to be burned, the camera cuts to a shot of HHH, in his bed, he realizes everything was a dream. Storylines continue from where they were the night HHH, Shawn, and Steph started the three-way. That is so crazy it, just might work |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 27, 2011 0:52:00 GMT -5
Pretty sure that another reason that Russo didn't go to the E in 2002 was because Vince knows that he is terrible. Russo was hired by WWE in 2002, but for a very very short period of time. Like, literally a day or two. Then they let him go. The common story is that everybody raised hell when they found out he was back because he was widely considered to be the guy that ruined WCW. It very well could have been Triple H and/or Stephanie that were the ones making the biggest stink about it. After all, Stephanie was either head of creative at that time or got the job shortly after. But yea...if Vince thought he was terrible, he wouldn't have hired him back at all. |
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