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Post by gonzo16 on Dec 23, 2011 22:53:54 GMT -5
He wouldn't have made it with that same gimmick. He would have had to tweak it or go into full heel hypocrite mode for it to work, otherwise he would have been booed out of buldings.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 23, 2011 23:11:32 GMT -5
I also think he could've worked if they tweaked his gimmick a bit or gave him better foils. For instance, I think it would've been very interesting to have had him and Kurt Angle feud...
As long as The Patriot was painted as a man who really believed his gimmick in his ring and was actually booked as a NICE GUY who had morals but didn't impose them on anyone else but was willing to fight? It would've worked. It also would've been interesting to see him go through a bit of crisis and even if there was a place in the company for a guy like him once he sees the rise of guys like Austin...
Yeah, he could've worked. I think people overstate the desire the masses have for anti-heroes.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 23, 2011 23:28:56 GMT -5
I was a HUGE fan of the Patriot! I loved that he called his finisher "Uncle Slam" and I loved that his theme music was basically a Christmas Remix of Kurt Angle's, though Angle's would come around later. I thought his finisher was The Patriot Missile (it was either a top-rope dropkick or shoulder-block), or am I thinking of someone else?
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Post by AztecaDragon on Dec 23, 2011 23:31:29 GMT -5
I was a HUGE fan of the Patriot! I loved that he called his finisher "Uncle Slam" and I loved that his theme music was basically a Christmas Remix of Kurt Angle's, though Angle's would come around later. I thought his finisher was The Patriot Missile (it was either a top-rope dropkick or shoulder-block), or am I thinking of someone else? Honestly, I remember him doing the Uncle Slam and the Patriot Missile Dropkick...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 23:53:15 GMT -5
I remember watching the Patriot in other feds, he was really over then. I dont think it was the kind of gimmick that would work in 97 though, and indeed it wasn't very over.
The right time for this gimmick was the late 80s and early 90s which unsurprisingly was when the Patriot was popping crowds.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 24, 2011 0:26:49 GMT -5
Even at the age of 14 I thought The Patriot was out of place in the WWE. Degeneration X, The Hart Foundation, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Goldust and Marlena, Brian Pillman, The Nation, Mankind, Ken Shamrock, Los Boricuas, DOA, Legion Of Doom and.....The Patriot? No. He was never over and nobody thought for a second he would beat Bret Hart for the WWE Championship. I doubt that he would have even been featured had it not been for the Hart Foundation vs. America angle.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Dec 24, 2011 0:39:23 GMT -5
I was a HUGE fan of the Patriot! I loved that he called his finisher "Uncle Slam" and I loved that his theme music was basically a Christmas Remix of Kurt Angle's, though Angle's would come around later. I thought his finisher was The Patriot Missile (it was either a top-rope dropkick or shoulder-block), or am I thinking of someone else? He did the Patriot Missile in the GWF; I don't know what he used in WCW. In fact, I only remember his tag team with Marcus Bagwell; did Patriot even have a singles run in WCW? Even a squash on one of the syndicated shows? Or was he immediately put into the team with Bagwell?
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Post by gonzo16 on Dec 24, 2011 0:40:57 GMT -5
He need to bring "The Dark Patriot" with him.
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Post by Stu on Dec 24, 2011 0:46:51 GMT -5
He need to bring "The Dark Patriot" with him. Hah, beat me to it. I was going to say how the GWF basically did what Sin Cara/Hunico did some 20 years later.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 24, 2011 0:59:04 GMT -5
"Dark Patriot"?
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Post by gonzo16 on Dec 24, 2011 1:08:43 GMT -5
Yeah, in GWF on ESPN in the early 90's I believe, they had The Patriot as one of their top faces. I think he got injured or something and in came another masked wrestler called "The Dark Patriot". Who wore black with red stars. He feuded with The Patriot, and it was played by Doug Gilbert. It was a crappy looking character to be honest.
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Post by flatsdomino on Dec 24, 2011 1:26:23 GMT -5
He would've been buried in '98 and jobbed out in the midcard at the Euro-Title level, probably put on the same level as 2 Cold Scorpio and Bradshaw and people like that.
Probably would've disappeared for a while later on in the year before resurfacing as a sacrifice to join the Ministry or Darkness with guys like Mabel, Farooq and Bradshaw who were outdated gimmicks as well, unmasking and shedding the Patriot gimmick to be, like, Apocalypse or something.
Then he'd probably been a Heat regular alongside the likes of Essa Rios following Undertaker's departure and the disbanding of the Ministry before getting released in 2000 unless there was some stroke of brilliance with him and Del caught onto a character that got over and reinvented himself. Barring that, he'd have likely run his course in the company by then.
I'd say he'd have randomly returned in 2002 on Raw as the Patriot as a nostalgia act to get some pops, and then to get promptly jobbed out to the new guys in sporadic appearances by '03, with some squash match with Kurt Angle happening just for the purpose of doing that at least once. Realeased later in '03 after barely appearing since like february, to probably go to TNA afterwards.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 24, 2011 2:28:10 GMT -5
WWF Patriot didn't do the Full Nelson Slam. Post-WWF Patriot, as in Tom Brandi and not the original guy, did that move.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 4:46:30 GMT -5
WWF Patriot didn't do the Full Nelson Slam. Post-WWF Patriot, as in Tom Brandi and not the original guy, did that move. WWF Patriot definitely used "Uncle Slam" as his finisher, which was the full-nelson slam
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Post by lovingway on Dec 24, 2011 11:11:31 GMT -5
I remember watching the Patriot in other feds, he was really over then. I dont think it was the kind of gimmick that would work in 97 though, and indeed it wasn't very over. The right time for this gimmick was the late 80s and early 90s which unsurprisingly was when the Patriot was popping crowds. Actually in that time period he was the Trooper in AWA.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 25, 2011 14:22:04 GMT -5
I'll throw in a new twist. Sometime in 1998 he completely denounces his gimmick(loses the mask as well) via worked shoot and says he was held back then uses his real name where in the first few weeks of this new found "push" he has victories over prelimenary talent only to be fed to new guys like Kurrgan, Val Venis, Edge, Gangrel, X-pac, D'lo and a few slew of others before being released by the end of the year. What do I win?
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Post by molson5 on Dec 25, 2011 14:24:44 GMT -5
An Anti-American "Patriot" character seems very attitude era. I have no doubt there's where it would have gone if he stuck around.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Dec 25, 2011 16:09:05 GMT -5
He would've been buried in '98 and jobbed out in the midcard at the Euro-Title level, probably put on the same level as 2 Cold Scorpio and Bradshaw and people like that. Probably would've disappeared for a while later on in the year before resurfacing as a sacrifice to join the Ministry or Darkness with guys like Mabel, Farooq and Bradshaw who were outdated gimmicks as well, unmasking and shedding the Patriot gimmick to be, like, Apocalypse or something. Then he'd probably been a Heat regular alongside the likes of Essa Rios following Undertaker's departure and the disbanding of the Ministry before getting released in 2000 unless there was some stroke of brilliance with him and Del caught onto a character that got over and reinvented himself. Barring that, he'd have likely run his course in the company by then. I'd say he'd have randomly returned in 2002 on Raw as the Patriot as a nostalgia act to get some pops, and then to get promptly jobbed out to the new guys in sporadic appearances by '03, with some squash match with Kurt Angle happening just for the purpose of doing that at least once. Realeased later in '03 after barely appearing since like february, to probably go to TNA afterwards. I love how specific this is.
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