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Post by moneyman20 on Dec 21, 2011 17:17:30 GMT -5
Hated that Raw. Squash matches for the most part and no real feuds being built heading into the Royal Rumble. They still have well over a month to go before the Rumble. They have time. |
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Dec 21, 2011 17:17:43 GMT -5
Hated that Raw. Squash matches for the most part and no real feuds being built heading into the Royal Rumble. It's Christmas week, the E usually goes easy on starting angles this week as it's more of a working week off for the wrestlers. I expect more of the same next week before they blow their load on 1/2/12. Giving these types of Raws to the fans in Chi Town would not be particularly fair. |
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Post by r. on Dec 21, 2011 18:31:27 GMT -5
Conversely Daniel Bryan could put on 5 star clinics from now until retirement,Become more over with the mainstream crowd then the rock and hulk hogan combined,Usher in a new bom period for wrestling all while inventing 25 new highly lucrative catch phrases along the way and the anti "IWC" people would still crap on him.  But him wearing a nazi outfit and punching baby isn't? |
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Post by jadison on Dec 21, 2011 18:34:49 GMT -5
So why are we all clamoring for Daniel Bryan to have this big underdog hero victory when he took the title from someone that helped him out in the past in a totally dick and underhanded way? Because it's Daniel Bryan. He could punch a baby while wearing a Nazi uniform and the IWC would still love him for it. If he was smiling and laughing while doing it, absolutely. No matter how badly the baby was hurt. Dude's just too loveable, and WWE has made him supreme Woobie material. I think I'd just be relieved that the baby didn't pin Bryan. |
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 21, 2011 19:02:41 GMT -5
But him wearing a nazi outfit and punching baby isn't? I never said his wasn't just as much hyperbole. Then again, whenever someone mentions Nazis and punching babies, it's an argument that comes with "hyperbole" stamped on it's forehead. Comparatively speaking, the "anti IWC" crowd has given respect to, if not completely come over to people who, quite frankly, are entertaining to them. Rob Van Dam's been pretty much completely embraced by the casual crowd, and more people are warming up to Punk as time goes by. What I don't think is hyperbole is that if you've followed someone and invested faith in them since the independents, they can practically do no wrong in people's eyes; but then again, you can say the same about diehard WWF/E fans, particularly those from the golden era of Hulk and Macho, or Attitude Era fans. Hell, pretty soon, you'll be able to say that about lifelong fans of John Cena; come ten or so years, when the new new faces come around, they're all gonna be the "generic [insert developmental territory here] clones who shouldn't be wrestling," while Cena, especially if he's still around and firing on all cylinders, will practically be god-tier in his fan's eyes. So to lash out and say "Bryan could bring a new boom period and the hater's will still hate" when Punk and RVD didn't even have to do that to get over is even more hyperbole than homeboy and his baby punching Nazis. So yeah, reaching. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 19:04:56 GMT -5
It's Christmas week, the E usually goes easy on starting angles this week as it's more of a working week off for the wrestlers. I expect more of the same next week before they blow their load on 1/2/12. Giving these types of Raws to the fans in Chi Town would not be particularly fair. Chicago already had their Christmas present for the year at MITB, they would have no right to complain about getting a solid wrestling show. |
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Post by moneyman20 on Dec 21, 2011 19:07:28 GMT -5
But him wearing a nazi outfit and punching baby isn't? I never said his wasn't just as much hyperbole. Then again, whenever someone mentions Nazis and punching babies, it's an argument that comes with "hyperbole" stamped on it's forehead. Comparatively speaking, the "anti IWC" crowd has given respect to, if not completely come over to people who, quite frankly, are entertaining to them. Rob Van Dam's been pretty much completely embraced by the casual crowd, and more people are warming up to Punk as time goes by. What I don't think is hyperbole is that if you've followed someone and invested faith in them since the independents, they can practically do no wrong in people's eyes; but then again, you can say the same about diehard WWF/E fans, particularly those from the golden era of Hulk and Macho, or Attitude Era fans. Hell, pretty soon, you'll be able to say that about lifelong fans of John Cena; come ten or so years, when the new new faces come around, they're all gonna be the "generic [insert developmental territory here] clones who shouldn't be wrestling," while Cena, especially if he's still around and firing on all cylinders, will practically be god-tier in his fan's eyes. So to lash out and say "Bryan could bring a new boom period and the hater's will still hate" when Punk and RVD didn't even have to do that to get over is even more hyperbole than homeboy and his baby punching Nazis. So yeah, reaching. Outstanding. You can also, to an extent, put Evan Bourne there because he's pretty over with the casual crowd as well. |
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Post by molson5 on Dec 21, 2011 19:34:01 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan dressed as a Nazi and punching babies is like a license to print money.
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Post by r. on Dec 21, 2011 20:18:52 GMT -5
But him wearing a nazi outfit and punching baby isn't? I never said his wasn't just as much hyperbole. Then again, whenever someone mentions Nazis and punching babies, it's an argument that comes with "hyperbole" stamped on it's forehead. Comparatively speaking, the "anti IWC" crowd has given respect to, if not completely come over to people who, quite frankly, are entertaining to them. Rob Van Dam's been pretty much completely embraced by the casual crowd, and more people are warming up to Punk as time goes by. What I don't think is hyperbole is that if you've followed someone and invested faith in them since the independents, they can practically do no wrong in people's eyes; but then again, you can say the same about diehard WWF/E fans, particularly those from the golden era of Hulk and Macho, or Attitude Era fans. Hell, pretty soon, you'll be able to say that about lifelong fans of John Cena; come ten or so years, when the new new faces come around, they're all gonna be the "generic [insert developmental territory here] clones who shouldn't be wrestling," while Cena, especially if he's still around and firing on all cylinders, will practically be god-tier in his fan's eyes. So to lash out and say "Bryan could bring a new boom period and the hater's will still hate" when Punk and RVD didn't even have to do that to get over is even more hyperbole than homeboy and his baby punching Nazis. So yeah, reaching. No disagreement. I concede to using a rather extreme example,But it should and needs to be noted those people DO exist,Whomever the wrestler may be,they hate him,Almost solely on the basis that he either A:Got over before entering the wwe in an Indy fed or B:Has a largely Internet fan base. Further more it irritates me when people think that wrestler "x" shouldn't get a push or is only get pushed because of said Internet fandom,As if their hard work ethics and overall talent isn't and never will be good enough to cut it. |
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