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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 18, 2011 17:54:22 GMT -5
My booking - Use her as the leader of a "Diva Horsemen" faction of serious female workers.
WWE booking - Send her to Florida for six months, bring her onto the main roster, job her to Kelly, release her.
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Post by OzzyMandez on Nov 18, 2011 19:35:56 GMT -5
I'd have them build her up as a world-renowned female wrestler, similar to Sin Cara, then when she turns up have them interview her about joining WWE. After a bit, they say something to the effect of 'and which Divas are you looking forward to taking on here in WWE?' She laughs at this for a few seconds and then turns around, delivering that line that'll determine the gimmick I'd give her- "who ever said I'm here to take on Divas?" So then her whole thing becomes that she feels she's above the Divas division and she's going to instead face the male superstars in the WWE and do well in the matches too. Also before anyone brings it up, if you make her look like a credible threat as a competitor then there's no reason why it would make any of the guys look like crap. Just make her look like a great wrestler who just so happens to be female, not just a Diva fighting men. Without a doubt the worst idea I've had all day. NOBODY benefits from that. Why not? That's what she does on the indies anyway...CHIKARA's PG and she manages to do it there without any problems.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 18, 2011 19:49:58 GMT -5
Without a doubt the worst idea I've had all day. NOBODY benefits from that. Why not? That's what she does on the indies anyway...CHIKARA's PG and she manages to do it there without any problems. Its not a PG issue. Chikara's audience has different expectations than WWE's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 20:03:20 GMT -5
Without a doubt the worst idea I've had all day. NOBODY benefits from that. Why not? That's what she does on the indies anyway...CHIKARA's PG and she manages to do it there without any problems. So many reasons. -Any male that fights a female instantly looks bad. -If a male fights a female, win or lose, he doesn't gain anything from it. -There are only so many times we can sit through the "You got beat by a girl!" or "Oh my god she's so tough." before it becomes grating. -It makes the other divas look bad for not fighting the guys. -If she ever transitions back into wrestling divas, who would expect her to lose? If she can hold her own with the guys, and no other diva does, they'd all come off as weak. -And I don't even want to get into the "A woman can't beat up a man" rant. Everyone comes off looking badly in that scenario but SDR, and that's not the point of pro wrestling.
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Post by jadison on Nov 18, 2011 20:11:20 GMT -5
Honestly I'm not sure what you do with her in WWE. I've seen her in person at ROH shows at the Davis Arena and haven't been especially impressed (she hilariously missed a kick against Daizee Haze in a groan worthy moment). She's not really enough of an amazon to be a Beth Phoenix type, and not attractive enough to be a regular diva. She would also need to lose some weight since she clearly has a gut, heh. Del Rey might have a brief WWE run before they lost interest in her. I think she would fit in better in TNA. I'm sorry, but how is Del Rey fat/has a gut? I mean, sure, she's got a bit of a tummy, but it looks quite normal to me and I wouldn't go so far as to call it a GUT. She's not typical-WWE-Diva-thin, but she's nowhere near big-belly sized either. Of course, your meaning of "gut" could be different than mine, haha! I think she's in great shape myself. She used to be heavier, which is where that reputation probably comes in for her.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 18, 2011 20:29:09 GMT -5
I'd have her wrestle guys as well. I wouldn't have her be cocky about it, maybe do what they were gonna do with Taylor Wilde in WWE and what they were gonna do with her in WSX. Have her be a masked male wrestler, cover up her body. That or have her request matches against the guys, have her be turned down, and maybe have some sleazy heel want to wrestle her, like, be incredibly rude to her.
For some reason, I picture Heath Slater to be that guy. It will get him over huge as a heel and get Del Rey over huge as a babyface.
I think her squashing guys wouldn't be a good idea, maybe in the first match, Slater beats her clean and rubs it in her face. She hauls off and decks him, and he slips out, saying he doesn't want to fight a poor, defenseless woman.
Next week, she asks for a rematch, is turned down. Heath continues to taunt her. Next week, they have a match, Slater cheats to win. Sara goes to the GM, says I can beat this guy. They have a match on pay per view and Sara goes over.
You have to establish her as an underdog babyface. I think that would work great in WWE. Plus, as a heel, facing her gets you great heat.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 18, 2011 20:38:46 GMT -5
Kelly Kelly's job is to be young, blonde, and over. She does it well. Eventually, she'll lose one or more of those, then she's done. Her job is to wrestle, clue is kind of in the job title. Her official title is diva.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 18, 2011 20:40:02 GMT -5
I'd have them build her up as a world-renowned female wrestler, similar to Sin Cara, then when she turns up have them interview her about joining WWE. After a bit, they say something to the effect of 'and which Divas are you looking forward to taking on here in WWE?' She laughs at this for a few seconds and then turns around, delivering that line that'll determine the gimmick I'd give her- "who ever said I'm here to take on Divas?" So then her whole thing becomes that she feels she's above the Divas division and she's going to instead face the male superstars in the WWE and do well in the matches too. Also before anyone brings it up, if you make her look like a credible threat as a competitor then there's no reason why it would make any of the guys look like crap. Just make her look like a great wrestler who just so happens to be female, not just a Diva fighting men. Without a doubt the worst idea I've had all day. NOBODY benefits from that. definately. Size does matter people, that's why boxing, MMA, amateur wreslting have weight classes.
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Post by jadison on Nov 18, 2011 22:25:17 GMT -5
Del Rey is larger than a lot of female wrestlers, but she only weighs like 150 pounds. That's 35-40 pounds lighter than guys like Daniel Bryan and Sin Cara, the smallest wrestlers that are actually booked as threats in WWE. Having Del Rey face average sized WWE wrestlers would not work out, losing to her would be a burial and beating her wouldn't do anything for the male.
I would love to see her in WWE, working with the likes of Beth, Natty, and AJ. They would just need to bring in 2 or 3 more women that can really go in the ring, and the division is back.
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Post by DeathRay on Nov 19, 2011 10:27:19 GMT -5
On her first match she beats Rosa Mendes with one rolling Koppou kick and a submission. Depending on the reaction she gets she will be booked as face or heel.
The next week she is interviewed before her match against another lowcard Diva and she vows to beat every single Diva one on one before going for the champion. When asked about the challenge, Beth Phoenix and Natalya admit that they have grown complaisant due to the lack of competition while Sara stayed in the indies to become one of the best in the world, and promise to train harder than ever to be on par with her. The rest of the Divas are not scared of her, and say that they will be ready to take her on.
As the weeks pass by, Sara beats the lowcard Divas with ease (and wins some tag matches to give the storyline time to progress), while the competition on the title scene becomes more intense than ever. Everybody shows some new skills and the matches are longer and more competitive.
As Sara tries to beat the more talented Divas, they start to cause her lots of trouble. When she finally takes the belt from Beth Phoenix, she will be at the top of a Division full of credible contenders, and the ones who can't keep up are released and replaced with fresh talent.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 19, 2011 11:26:14 GMT -5
My booking - Use her as the leader of a "Diva Horsemen" faction of serious female workers. WWE booking - Send her to Florida for six months, bring her onto the main roster, job her to Kelly, release her. I can't believe after the first few months of Sin Cara people still complain about Florida
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 19, 2011 11:34:17 GMT -5
My booking - Use her as the leader of a "Diva Horsemen" faction of serious female workers. WWE booking - Send her to Florida for six months, bring her onto the main roster, job her to Kelly, release her. I can't believe after the first few months of Sin Cara people still complain about Florida Surely an isolated incident. Besides, Jericho agrees, developmental is for suckers.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 19, 2011 13:16:39 GMT -5
Del Rey is larger than a lot of female wrestlers, but she only weighs like 150 pounds. That's 35-40 pounds lighter than guys like Daniel Bryan and Sin Cara, the smallest wrestlers that are actually booked as threats in WWE. Having Del Rey face average sized WWE wrestlers would not work out, losing to her would be a burial and beating her wouldn't do anything for the male. I would love to see her in WWE, working with the likes of Beth, Natty, and AJ. They would just need to bring in 2 or 3 more women that can really go in the ring, and the division is back. What about Rey Mysterio? He's pretty over now, and usually beats bigger guys. Sure, some people don't like him, but he gets mostly cheers in the crowd, so who cares? Besides, the fact that it's a work helps. It all depends on how it's done, due to the fact that wrestling is all visual. So even though a 5'8" guy could cripple a 6'8", you make it look like he's the underdog, simply because that's what people see. So, if you make a woman look strong enough, and Sara being the way she looks helps a lot, then it's possible for a woman to compete. Plus, I'm a feminist I would call myself, but I also understand society's thoughts on women being the weaker sex. I can only see a huge positive with that with wrestling. That's not a bad thing, it's a good thing as DDP would say. Because the sympathy she would get from the crowd would be incredible. So, if she gets beaten down and fights back, who wouldn't pop for that. I don't think she can be a heel and dominate the babyface, and the babyface has to make a comeback wrestling her, because I don't think anyone is going to cheer you fighting back on a woman. And the guy won't get buried either. He's a heel. Heels are supposed to get heat. This would generate so much heat for them, and after a feud with Del Rey, they could face anyone and be able to maintain that heat. Heath Slater, who I talked about before, sometimes gets a Conway pop coming to the ring. After feuding with Del Rey, everyone would want to kill him. Tyson Kidd, Curt Hawkins, Tyler Reks, re-establish Drew McIntyre, whoever. They feud with Del Rey, Del Rey is over huge as a babyface, and anyone she faces is instantly over as a heel. Anyone remember Hamada vs Eric Young from TNA, and how the fans went nuts for that match.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Nov 19, 2011 13:29:03 GMT -5
She can be the Bella Twins' mother.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Nov 19, 2011 14:00:48 GMT -5
Del Rey is larger than a lot of female wrestlers, but she only weighs like 150 pounds. That's 35-40 pounds lighter than guys like Daniel Bryan and Sin Cara, the smallest wrestlers that are actually booked as threats in WWE. Having Del Rey face average sized WWE wrestlers would not work out, losing to her would be a burial and beating her wouldn't do anything for the male. I would love to see her in WWE, working with the likes of Beth, Natty, and AJ. They would just need to bring in 2 or 3 more women that can really go in the ring, and the division is back. What about Rey Mysterio? He's pretty over now, and usually beats bigger guys. Sure, some people don't like him, but he gets mostly cheers in the crowd, so who cares?... Yeah, while I'm not totally discounting all the arguments against SDR wrestling guys, as I see it if we can suspend disbelief enough to the point where we buy that Jeff Hardy can take the Undertaker to the limit and to the point where HBK is a match for Sid and where Austin can beat up Show, I don't think it's a stretch to buy Sara as somebody who can hit you really hard. Based on what I saw of her in Chikara's "High Noon", while she might weigh less than everybody on their roster she still looks about the same size as most of them (excepting guys like Eddie Kingston and Tursas, and Claudio before he left). She's also strong enough to suplex them, piledrive them, etc. EDIT TO ADD: Believing that a smaller person can beat up a bigger person isn't quite the stretch that you'd think. Goldberg/Jericho shoot fight backstage, anybody? Pillman beating the crap out of Sid in a bar fight, leading to the "squeegee incident"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 23:55:19 GMT -5
.... Because the sympathy she would get from the crowd would be incredible. So, if she gets beaten down and fights back, who wouldn't pop for that. I don't think she can be a heel and dominate the babyface, and the babyface has to make a comeback wrestling her, because I don't think anyone is going to cheer you fighting back on a woman. There is no doubt that any man who goes against her would automatically be the heel, but therein you are missing the point why this is a colossally bad idea: ANY man, under ANY circumstances, for ONLY the reason you described, would be the heel. You are left with such a one-dimensional character which is such a tragic waste of someone of SDR's talents, to say nothing about the other points described above (SDR goes the distance and beats/almost beats a 250# man. How is Kelly Kelly supposed to be a threat now?) You mention that you are aware of society's views of women as the weaker sex. This means you are also aware of society's views of women as a "higher class" of victim, and how it would so completely limit what people will put up with. The 90s pretty much established that for every one punch a woman takes from a man, she needs to kill about 30 of them in cold blood to look about even ("The Xena ratio", if you will). And, since you identify as a feminist, you know full well that as soon as the WWE does what you propose, there will exist some feminists who will then turn that right around and cite this as an example of the WWE "promoting misogyny", "promoting woman-on-man violence", etc. etc. It is a battle that cannot be won. The WWE is wise for not even going there. As WOPR said, the only winning move is not to play. EDIT: If SDR only EVER fought men, NEVER competed for the Divas belt, competed only for the now-returning Cruiserweight belt, and started her WWE run with about four months of face-on-face matches so technically squeaky clean that they'd put the Bob Backlund mirror match to shame, then you could make something work.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 20, 2011 0:06:55 GMT -5
I would have her wrestle as a female version of James Storm.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 0:08:31 GMT -5
I would have her wrestle as a female version of James Storm. Instead of exaggerated eyebrow makeup, she'd need to make it a full beard, but anything's possible. Or did you mean Lance Storm?
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Nov 20, 2011 0:12:20 GMT -5
Saying that you 'sort of' hope any wrestler you like never makes it to the WWE is ridiculous. Say what you want about WWE and Vince, but it is the 'major league' of wrestling - it is the biggest wrestling organization in the world by a great margin and until you've made it here, in many ways you haven't made it in wrestling. Even if you're a jobber, that is vastly more prestigious and well-paying than wrestling in front of 12 people at a school gym on a Saturady afternoon.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Nov 20, 2011 0:14:57 GMT -5
and whoever said she should be wrestling men - please go and work under Vince Russo in some wrestling programme I'll never have the danger of accidentally watching.
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