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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 7, 2012 19:29:51 GMT -5
a) If we're talking TNA, then yes, they do. Hell, even one cancelled house show brings out the "see, they've got money problems" crowd. b) no, it doesn't make sense. Not only is the phrasing backwards (how would WWE cancelling more shows in two years than ROH in one prove any point !?), but anyway, it's the comparison that makes no sense. WWE - a multi-million dollar company - runs four to six shows a week, as opposed to one or two a month for ROH - a company that, at best, is very midly successful, financially speaking - : WWE could cancel a third of their dates, they wouldn't be close to go out of business. On the other hand, if ROH were to do the same, I doubt they would survive long. There also this quote I seen going around on other forums "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life!"-Cliff Huxtable WTF do ROH fans watch then? What about the fans that watch all 3 main companies(and several others) like me? That doesn't even make sense and it sounds like indirect sabotage. Running ads during Raw would possibly draw in more people. Maybe not millions or even thousands but still.
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Post by clashofchampains on Jul 7, 2012 19:39:36 GMT -5
As for the Kenny business, it's obvious the guy was looking for a way out and the company was trying to prevent him from going away. And he wasn't willing to part with the tag titles without being sure if TNA was going to take him. Then, if you're King, simply don't enter a verbal contract But dont you think he was on some sort of pressure? "alright your deal is up in 11 days, we want you to sign an extension". Why was ROH so obsessed with this? First of all, from ROH's point of view they should have him sign a written extension or not, just having a verbal/handshake agreement is like going half ass. There was a huge hole in there and it came back to bite them. Also if you don't have a contract and TNA calls you "alright we want you for this show" with the chance to win the X title, you think any Indy workers would have been in a position to say "no" esp. not knowing if you're gonna stay with the other guys? What happens if Kenny refuse to wrestle for TNA? In my opinion and I may be wrong with this but I think things escalated very quickly, mistakes were made but there was a hole big enough that Kenny handed up as a TNA talent. It's unfortunate but things happens.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 7, 2012 19:50:09 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like Kenny King did right by ROH, but I am actually happy that he jumped to TNA Impact Wrestling. I'm hoping he gets a chance to shine at Destination X. I might even give him the X-Division championship.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 7, 2012 20:06:38 GMT -5
As for the Kenny business, it's obvious the guy was looking for a way out and the company was trying to prevent him from going away. And he wasn't willing to part with the tag titles without being sure if TNA was going to take him. Then, if you're King, simply don't enter a verbal contract But if your ROH.............you are not in any position to screw talent.
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Post by The Spelunker! on Jul 7, 2012 22:31:14 GMT -5
Very interesting to see how much TNA has gotten discussed due to this.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 7, 2012 23:18:52 GMT -5
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 7, 2012 23:46:00 GMT -5
Black Ass is now trending on Twitter
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 7, 2012 23:46:22 GMT -5
That doesn't really clear things up too much.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 7, 2012 23:54:59 GMT -5
It's tough. I think back to Cabana and Generico, who had issues with ROH and not wanting to be an independent contractor.
Here's what I would have done. Personally, I wouldn't have cared. So, my star is going over on national television. Great, as long as they don't job the f*** out of him, I wouldn't care. I would have asked Kenny, "so, are you going over at the pay per view? The idea of trading talent that have been around for awhile is one from the territories, but can work out.
I bashed TNA about the Anthony Nese deal. They don't use him much, surely this can be an exception. And I guess if my talent was going to be strongly featured on television, great, maybe I could make that exception. Maybe it could open the door for using a strong TNA talent on my shows. Maybe I could work something out with them.
I think his reasoning was, I'm a tag team champion, they're putting me over, this could be great for ROH. Maybe. Looking at it more, I guess I would be more willing to let this slide and see if I could get TNA talent. Another thing I could do is have King come back to ROH to many boos, lose the tag titles, Titus beats him, and then I finish him up so he can do TNA full time.
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Post by The Line on Jul 7, 2012 23:55:47 GMT -5
Then, if you're King, simply don't enter a verbal contract But if your ROH.............you are not in any position to screw talent. How would ROH be screwing over talent this way? Kenny does like the conditions of a verbal contract, then don't agree to it.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 8, 2012 0:00:44 GMT -5
The thing to me with King is that he comes off as 'using' ROH here. If he didn't want to be in ROH anymore, which is what he's indicating now, he should have just told them outright that he wasn't going to re-sign.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jul 8, 2012 0:04:53 GMT -5
The thing to me with King is that he comes off as 'using' ROH here. If he didn't want to be in ROH anymore, which is what he's indicating now, he should have just told them outright that he wasn't going to re-sign. This. If he knew he didn't want to resign, he should've told them. ANX would never have won the titles and Rhett wouldn't have gotten f***ed over like he did. He's an ass.
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Post by The Line on Jul 8, 2012 0:17:05 GMT -5
The thing to me with King is that he comes off as 'using' ROH here. If he didn't want to be in ROH anymore, which is what he's indicating now, he should have just told them outright that he wasn't going to re-sign. exactly my point
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Post by jimmyjames on Jul 8, 2012 2:16:27 GMT -5
There also this quote I seen going around on other forums
Yeah, that makes sense. Why try to increase your potential viewers by focusing on the show with the largest number of wrestling viewers in this country. Brilliant, now I see why Sinclair Broadcasting has been bankrupt and/or close to bankruptcy so much.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jul 8, 2012 10:06:44 GMT -5
What is the Meng/Hardcore Title story? I don't remember this. Meng was WCW Hardcore Champion and his contract expired (a fact that seemed to allude WCW officials) so he showed up as an entrant in the 2001 Royal Rumble for the WWF. WCW needed to make cutbacks. When Meng's contract expired they gave him a verbal pay-per-appearance deal. A few weeks later Vince offered a written contract and Bischoff told him to take it.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 10, 2012 12:23:56 GMT -5
Has ROH announced their plans for the tag titles yet? And has Kenny been confirmed to have signed a TNA deal?
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Post by Error on Jul 10, 2012 12:28:03 GMT -5
Has ROH announced their plans for the tag titles yet? And has Kenny been confirmed to have signed a TNA deal? ROH just announced earlier today that they vacated the Tag Team Titles and are starting a tourney at the next TV taping.
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