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Post by Orange on Jul 5, 2012 23:07:51 GMT -5
Kind of a dick move, but selfish as it is I hope he sticks around, dude's fun to watch. I don't watch ROH so I'd never seen him before, I was impressed.
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:11:22 GMT -5
Hey Dixie, that shit Flair pulled on you sucked didn't it? Yeah, WHY THE f*** ARE YOU DOING WITH KING AND ROH?
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Post by comahan on Jul 5, 2012 23:13:00 GMT -5
It's very possible that she/TNA didnt know about the verbal agreement between King and ROH, just that he wasnt under contract. Flair was under contract.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 5, 2012 23:13:56 GMT -5
Yeah Kenny dicked them over really badly there. I understand the pressure being an indie wrestler put on you with having to put food on the table but surely he could've worked something out with both TNA and ROH to reach a place where all three parties could amicably settle. Especially with ROH having so much faith in him (may be seen as idiocy by some people) that they put the tag titles on him the day his contract expired. He also really screwed Rhett over. And damn he screwed the fans over too.*
* - this all only stands if what Ring of Honor have stated is true.
PS I also like the idea of Rhett trying to defend the belts singlehandedly against both Corino and Jacobs only to come up short as Ric suggested. Best way for ROH to save face.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 5, 2012 23:14:24 GMT -5
Hey Dixie, that s*** Flair pulled on you sucked didn't it? Yeah, WHY THE f*** ARE YOU DOING WITH KING AND ROH? Did Dixie know about the deal beforehand though? King said he told ROH about the meetings with TNA but I don't know if Dixie/Prichard(?) knew he had that verbal agreement with ROH. They might let him go back to drop the tag titles, he's not actually signed with TNA yet as far as we know. |
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Post by comahan on Jul 5, 2012 23:15:55 GMT -5
Hey Dixie, that s*** Flair pulled on you sucked didn't it? Yeah, WHY THE f*** ARE YOU DOING WITH KING AND ROH? Did Dixie know about the deal beforehand though? King said he told ROH about the meetings with TNA but I don't know if Dixie/Prichard(?) knew he had that verbal agreement with ROH. They might let him go back to drop the tag titles, he's not actually signed with TNA yet as far as we know. ROH said that they wont be doing business with King anymore, so hes not going back to drop the belts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 23:15:57 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not reading right but it seems like a strange agreement. So they work on a verbal agreement designed for Kenny King to decide whether he wants to work for ROH or another company, he finds another company and ROH doesn't give him permission to pursue? Seems like Kenny followed the rules as best he could but it's hard to blame him ultimately for making that move, if he didn't come aboard the Destination X tournament who knows if TNA would have any other immediate plans for him.
Still completely sucks as I'm an ROH guy above all else right now and this sucks for them.
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:17:27 GMT -5
Hey Dixie, that s*** Flair pulled on you sucked didn't it? Yeah, WHY THE f*** ARE YOU DOING WITH KING AND ROH? Did Dixie know about the deal beforehand though? King said he told ROH about the meetings with TNA but I don't know if Dixie/Prichard(?) knew he had that verbal agreement with ROH. They might let him go back to drop the tag titles, he's not actually signed with TNA yet as far as we know. It's called doing your homework and checking with the company when one of them holds a title. Basic courtesy. There is no reason that someone in TNA didn't check with ROH to make sure one of their tag champs actually isn't under contract. That is a huge mistake to make either through carelessness or stupidity. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 5, 2012 23:19:13 GMT -5
Damn...King comes off as really shady in this whole situation.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 5, 2012 23:20:03 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not reading right but it seems like a strange agreement. So they work on a verbal agreement designed for Kenny King to decide whether he wants to work for ROH or another company, he finds another company and ROH doesn't give him permission to pursue? Seems like Kenny followed the rules as best he could but it's hard to blame him ultimately for making that move, if he didn't come aboard the Destination X tournament who knows if TNA would have any other immediate plans for him. Still completely sucks as I'm an ROH guy above all else right now and this sucks for them. From what I'm reading, the basic agreement was the King had permission to negotiate with, but not perform for, other companies, and if he found a better offer, once the temporary extension was done, King was free and clear to go where he wanted. He violated that by performing without clearing it by ROH. |
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 5, 2012 23:22:08 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not reading right but it seems like a strange agreement. So they work on a verbal agreement designed for Kenny King to decide whether he wants to work for ROH or another company, he finds another company and ROH doesn't give him permission to pursue? Seems like Kenny followed the rules as best he could but it's hard to blame him ultimately for making that move, if he didn't come aboard the Destination X tournament who knows if TNA would have any other immediate plans for him. Still completely sucks as I'm an ROH guy above all else right now and this sucks for them. From what I'm reading, the basic agreement was the King had permission to negotiate with, but not perform for, other companies, and if he found a better offer, once the temporary extension was done, King was free and clear to go where he wanted. He violated that by performing without clearing it by ROH. Yep. I like Kenny, but it was a lousy thing for him to break the agreement. |
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jul 5, 2012 23:23:20 GMT -5
Almost sounds like that deal was like something Lance Storm said he had in ECW. Heyman breached his contract by missing payoffs so Lance still worked for ECW but was free to negotiate and go elsewhere if he wanted to.
King just blew all of that up and f***ed over the company that put him on the radar. Nice move, asshole. I hope you're god damn sure burning that bridge was the right move. I've been down on ROH for a long while now, but they didn't deserve this one.
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:24:32 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not reading right but it seems like a strange agreement. So they work on a verbal agreement designed for Kenny King to decide whether he wants to work for ROH or another company, he finds another company and ROH doesn't give him permission to pursue? Seems like Kenny followed the rules as best he could but it's hard to blame him ultimately for making that move, if he didn't come aboard the Destination X tournament who knows if TNA would have any other immediate plans for him. Still completely sucks as I'm an ROH guy above all else right now and this sucks for them. From what I'm reading, the basic agreement was the King had permission to negotiate with, but not perform for, other companies, and if he found a better offer, once the temporary extension was done, King was free and clear to go where he wanted. He violated that by performing without clearing it by ROH. Yeah, basically go out and see what is there for you but no being on TV while our champ. If you find something better you can comeback drop the title and leave, otherwise you can re-sign with us and still be champ. Instead he (probably with the prodding of Aries as this reeks of his m.o.) said f*** it and went on TV. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 5, 2012 23:26:00 GMT -5
Almost sounds like that deal was like something Lance Storm said he had in ECW. Heyman breached his contract by missing payoffs so Lance still worked for ECW but was free to negotiate and go elsewhere if he wanted to. King just blew all of that up and f***ed over the company that put him on the radar. Nice move, asshole. I hope you're god damn sure burning that bridge was the right move. I've been down on ROH for a long while now, but they didn't deserve this one. Yeah, I will say that, King better hope(and I do as well, because I'm still a fan) that TNA works out for him, because otherwise, he might wind up f***ed. He just burned his best bridge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 23:26:50 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not reading right but it seems like a strange agreement. So they work on a verbal agreement designed for Kenny King to decide whether he wants to work for ROH or another company, he finds another company and ROH doesn't give him permission to pursue? Seems like Kenny followed the rules as best he could but it's hard to blame him ultimately for making that move, if he didn't come aboard the Destination X tournament who knows if TNA would have any other immediate plans for him. Still completely sucks as I'm an ROH guy above all else right now and this sucks for them. From what I'm reading, the basic agreement was the King had permission to negotiate with, but not perform for, other companies, and if he found a better offer, once the temporary extension was done, King was free and clear to go where he wanted. He violated that by performing without clearing it by ROH. Okay that makes sense. Bit of an ugly move on King's part, but I'm sure he's smart enough to know what a gamble that is. If the TNA thing doesn't pan out then the circumstances of that are on him. I wonder if some Cornette/TNA bitterness plays a part in why TNA/ROH couldn't work out a deal where King could end his ROH commitment while transitioning into his new gig. Even WWE let CM Punk ride out the rest of his ROH title reign. Though the unwanted heat on Kenny King would be MONSTROUS on those last ROH shows. |
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Post by suntannedsuperman on Jul 5, 2012 23:27:24 GMT -5
ROH Releases Statement: ROH-Kenny King Update
The appearance of ROH wrestler Kenny King on another television wrestling program tonight has raised speculation on his future as well as how this appearance could occur.
The contract Kenny King signed in June 2011 expired 11 days ago. Before that expiration, an agreement was reached between Kenny and ROH management for an extension of that contract, with a provision to allow him to negotiate with any other promotions so that he could evaluate his options and any potential interest in him elsewhere. When that short extension concluded he would then be free to accept an offer elsewhere, or sign another long term contract with ROH. Under this agreement, Kenny was free to negotiate but not to wrestle for another organization without ROH's permission.
When Kenny was presented with the written extension reflecting this verbal and handshake agreement, he informed ROH he was unsure if other promotions would accept the negotiation clause. He was told he could take the document to be examined by his attorney or other interested parties before executing it to be reassured any other offers would not be viewed as contract tampering. He also informed ROH that he would keep us apprised of any developments.
He contacted ROH on Tuesday July 3 to inform us that he had a meeting in Orlando on Thursday, July 5, which was within the scope of the agreement he had made. Then, early morning on July 5, he contacted an ROH official to say he would be wrestling on the Orlando event that night. He was told he did not have permission to appear live on television as it violated the agreement that had been made. His response was that the deal he had shaken hands on and agreed to in principle "seemed fair at the time", but "others" had told him it was not, so he did not intend to honor it.
Ring of Honor is disappointed that Kenny has chosen to make this decision, after the company had agreed to and followed through on everything he had asked for at the time of our negotiation. However, we consider this breach of his verbal agreement unacceptable, and regardless of his future employment status with any other wrestling company, ROH will not be doing business with Kenny King going forward.
A statement from ROH will be forthcoming regarding the future of the ROH World Tag Team Championship. Co-holder Rhett Titus remains on the active ROH roster.
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Post by Lukin Stontmehn on Jul 5, 2012 23:32:36 GMT -5
I think it's a dumb move to burn bridges.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 5, 2012 23:34:42 GMT -5
All sides are to blame. Both King and ROH and TNA
Rhett got screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2012 23:34:56 GMT -5
King just blew all of that up and f***ed over the company that put him on the radar. Nice move, asshole. I hope you're god damn sure burning that bridge was the right move. I've been down on ROH for a long while now, but they didn't deserve this one. Apparently Kenny personally offended you somehow? |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 5, 2012 23:37:19 GMT -5
It's definitely an odd move, one of the more controversial ones to happen recently.
Daniels appeared on both ROH and TNA at the same time, but finished up his ROH dates and dropped the Television Title on the way out. So now, Daniels can possibly have Appletinis in the future with ROH. But Kenny kinda f***ed them over. It's bad, with how they were built up and everything.
This could leave the door open though for ROH to build up Rhett Titus. I've always wanted them to do an angle with Rhett where he went from being an ROH student to ROH World Champion, and just the story that goes along with that. My guess is they could have Rhett defend the titles by himself against Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team again and put the belts back on them. Or maybe Jacobs and Corino.
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