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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 5, 2012 23:37:33 GMT -5
Did Dixie know about the deal beforehand though? King said he told ROH about the meetings with TNA but I don't know if Dixie/Prichard(?) knew he had that verbal agreement with ROH. They might let him go back to drop the tag titles, he's not actually signed with TNA yet as far as we know. ROH said that they wont be doing business with King anymore, so hes not going back to drop the belts. Yeah you're right, just read that. Wow. Ric, I don't know man you know that verbal agreements are NOT the way to do business. I know that ROH trusted King but man how can you give the guy a belt without having him signed to the company? I agree that someone should have checked but ehhh, I guess they just took King's word for it. All of it could have been solved if Cornette and Dixie were actually on good terms. Something that I wish more companies had with one another is working relationships. Blargh, I'm getting off topic.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 5, 2012 23:38:35 GMT -5
King just blew all of that up and f***ed over the company that put him on the radar. Nice move, asshole. I hope you're god damn sure burning that bridge was the right move. I've been down on ROH for a long while now, but they didn't deserve this one. Apparently Kenny personally offended you somehow? He's offended quite a lot of people with this. He doesn't just screw ROH over, he screws his tag partner and the fans over. I can understand some people being pretty upset over it, it was a dick move.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 5, 2012 23:41:01 GMT -5
All sides are to blame. Both King and ROH and TNA Rhett got screwed. I don't see how ROH did, really. They made a move in good faith with King, and he screwed them over. It was a bit dumb on their part, but I wouldn't say they eat blame here.
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:43:03 GMT -5
ROH said that they wont be doing business with King anymore, so hes not going back to drop the belts. Yeah you're right, just read that. Wow. Ric, I don't know man you know that verbal agreements are NOT the way to do business. I know that ROH trusted King but man how can you give the guy a belt without having him signed to the company? I agree that someone should have checked but ehhh, I guess they just took King's word for it. All of it could have been solved if Cornette and Dixie were actually on good terms. Something that I wish more companies had with one another is working relationships. Blargh, I'm getting off topic. He would have been under contract (and going by ROH's story) looking to extend when given the tag belts. Then he got cold feet and said he wanted to look around when it was too late to do anything so ROH and he agreed to the short term extension that let him explore things while not being on TV, so ROH had it drawn up and then King pulled this. Just seems ROH did everything in good faith and King f***ed them over (again that is only going with ROH's side).
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Post by boolz on Jul 5, 2012 23:43:48 GMT -5
Hold on. So his written contract expires, they give him a belt, and come to a verbal agreement. That RoH wants signed. Doesn't say he signed it. If he didn't sign the written contract for a verbal agreement then what'd he do wrong?
I'd think once RoH tried to put his verbal agreement into a written contract that he didn't sign it would invalidate the whole deal. Especially when RoH's statement doesn't say he couldn't wrestle for another company on television the end of the second paragraph says he couldn't wrestle without RoH's permission. Period. That means no try-out matches. How many people get serious offers without try-out matches nowadays?
The whole thing seems stupid to me and reeks of RoH trying to keep a hold on King. Contract up? Won't sign an extension? Give him a belt so it'll be bad form to leave.
Still hope TNA signs him though.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Jul 5, 2012 23:45:09 GMT -5
Apparently Kenny personally offended you somehow? He's offended quite a lot of people with this. He doesn't just screw ROH over, he screws his tag partner and the fans over. I can understand some people being pretty upset over it, it was a dick move. Pretty much. No, Kenny King hasn't done anything to me personally. I am, however, a huge supporter and fan of his now completely screwed over tag team partner. That's what is really getting me in this. He pretty much intentionally shit on ROH, his fans, and his partner.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 5, 2012 23:47:23 GMT -5
Apparently Kenny personally offended you somehow? He's offended quite a lot of people with this. He doesn't just screw ROH over, he screws his tag partner and the fans over. I can understand some people being pretty upset over it, it was a dick move. not just Rhett, but pretty much the entire tag division. with The Bucks not being used for the time being, House of Truth being tied up with the storyline going on with Elgin, Team Ambition having just broken up and Davey not being booked for a while, Bravado Brothers and Coleman & Alexander not being up to that level yet, and Corino's medical clearance in question, the only major tag teams left are Briscoe Brothers and WGTT
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:47:39 GMT -5
Hold on. So his written contract expires, they give him a belt, and come to a verbal agreement. That RoH wants signed. Doesn't say he signed it. If he didn't sign the written contract for a verbal agreement then what'd he do wrong? I'd think once RoH tried to put his verbal agreement into a written contract that he didn't sign it would invalidate the whole deal. Especially when RoH's statement doesn't say he couldn't wrestle for another company on television the end of the second paragraph says he couldn't wrestle without RoH's permission. Period. That means no try-out matches. How many people get serious offers without try-out matches nowadays? The whole thing seems stupid to me and reeks of RoH trying to keep a hold on King. Contract up? Won't sign an extension? Give him a belt so it'll be bad form to leave. Still hope TNA signs him though. Again, he was under contract when he got the belt (though it was close to the end) as for the "no matches without permission" I don't see them saying no to a try out or dark match since they let their talent do that all the time. It's never been an issue with ROH even under the new company. Hell, they let the Briscoes do a week in FCW. Hell, even in their statement, they said he told them he was going to Orlando to meet with TNA and on the day of the taping which all but means dark match since TNA does everything else in Nashville. It wasn't until he told them today he would be on TV they said no.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 5, 2012 23:49:02 GMT -5
Hold on. So his written contract expires, they give him a belt, and come to a verbal agreement. That RoH wants signed. Doesn't say he signed it. If he didn't sign the written contract for a verbal agreement then what'd he do wrong? I'd think once RoH tried to put his verbal agreement into a written contract that he didn't sign it would invalidate the whole deal. Especially when RoH's statement doesn't say he couldn't wrestle for another company on television the end of the second paragraph says he couldn't wrestle without RoH's permission. Period. That means no try-out matches. How many people get serious offers without try-out matches nowadays? The whole thing seems stupid to me and reeks of RoH trying to keep a hold on King. Contract up? Won't sign an extension? Give him a belt so it'll be bad form to leave. Still hope TNA signs him though. Again, he was under contract when he got the belt (though it was close to the end) as for the "no matches without permission" I don't see them saying no to a try out or dark match since they let their talent do that all the time. It's never been an issue with ROH even under the new company. Hell, they let the Briscoes do a week in FCW. Hell, even in their statement, they said he told them he was going to Orlando to meet with TNA and on the day of the taping which all but means dark match since TNA does everything else in Nashville. It wasn't until he told them today he would be on TV they said no. Pretty much. ROH made a couple of good faith gestures that backfired on them huge.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 5, 2012 23:50:13 GMT -5
He's offended quite a lot of people with this. He doesn't just screw ROH over, he screws his tag partner and the fans over. I can understand some people being pretty upset over it, it was a dick move. not just Rhett, but pretty much the entire tag division. with The Bucks not being used for the time being, House of Truth being tied up with the storyline going on with Elgin, Team Ambition having just broken up and Davey not being booked for a while, Bravado Brothers and Coleman & Alexander not being up to that level yet, and Corino's medical clearance in question, the only major tag teams left are Briscoe Brothers and WGTT He shouldn't have to worry about their booking of other people BUT him doing this does put Rhett in a tough squeeze. It directly effects Rhett. Rhett could get heat from it and that isn't fair to Rhett. But he felt it was the right move for himself and his family obviously so...
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 5, 2012 23:52:29 GMT -5
kenny looks bad right now, but I'd love to hear both sides of the story before I crucify anybody
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 5, 2012 23:53:03 GMT -5
Yeah you're right, just read that. Wow. Ric, I don't know man you know that verbal agreements are NOT the way to do business. I know that ROH trusted King but man how can you give the guy a belt without having him signed to the company? I agree that someone should have checked but ehhh, I guess they just took King's word for it. All of it could have been solved if Cornette and Dixie were actually on good terms. Something that I wish more companies had with one another is working relationships. Blargh, I'm getting off topic. He would have been under contract (and going by ROH's story) looking to extend when given the tag belts. Then he got cold feet and said he wanted to look around when it was too late to do anything so ROH and he agreed to the short term extension that let him explore things while not being on TV, so ROH had it drawn up and then King pulled this. Just seems ROH did everything in good faith and King f***ed them over (again that is only going with ROH's side). That does seem to be the story just can't help but feel frustrated with ROH because everyone knows that with businesses you cannot just go by verbal agreements. It NEEDS to be written down and signed. In retrospect they should have made sure he was under contract FIRST and then did the title switch. If he didn't wanna sign or wanted to wait okay we'll wait until you're ready to sign BEFORE you get the titles. That's just how it is now a days, you can't just go by people's words. People talk all day, got to have it on paper. Just sounds like ROH were a little too trusting. Note: Not defending King just saying.
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Post by Error on Jul 5, 2012 23:58:41 GMT -5
He would have been under contract (and going by ROH's story) looking to extend when given the tag belts. Then he got cold feet and said he wanted to look around when it was too late to do anything so ROH and he agreed to the short term extension that let him explore things while not being on TV, so ROH had it drawn up and then King pulled this. Just seems ROH did everything in good faith and King f***ed them over (again that is only going with ROH's side). That does seem to be the story just can't help but feel frustrated with ROH because everyone knows that with businesses you cannot just go by verbal agreements. It NEEDS to be written down and signed. In retrospect they should have made sure he was under contract FIRST and then did the title switch. If he didn't wanna sign or wanted to wait okay we'll wait until you're ready to sign BEFORE you get the titles. That's just how it is now a days, you can't just go by people's words. People talk all day, got to have it on paper. Just sounds like ROH were a little too trusting. Note: Not defending King just saying. Yeah, I agree and you'd think someone like Cornette would know better. We've seen this same strategy bite WWE in the ass time and time again (though they never actually had written contracts with the guys at first) and they got bit this time. I am not saying they didn't make a stupid move or anything, just King was a little bitch in all this. Got his way every step of the way and pulled a classic wrestler move dicking over the company the had a title in.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 5, 2012 23:59:56 GMT -5
That does seem to be the story just can't help but feel frustrated with ROH because everyone knows that with businesses you cannot just go by verbal agreements. It NEEDS to be written down and signed. In retrospect they should have made sure he was under contract FIRST and then did the title switch. If he didn't wanna sign or wanted to wait okay we'll wait until you're ready to sign BEFORE you get the titles. That's just how it is now a days, you can't just go by people's words. People talk all day, got to have it on paper. Just sounds like ROH were a little too trusting. Note: Not defending King just saying. Yeah, I agree and you'd think someone like Cornette would know better. We've seen this same strategy bite WWE in the ass time and time again (though they never actually had written contracts with the guys at first) and they got bit this time. I am not saying they didn't make a stupid move or anything, just King was a little bitch in all this. Got his way every step of the way and pulled a classic wrestler move dicking over the company the had a title in. Does Cornette actually have power in ROH? I thought he was a figurehead.
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 0:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree and you'd think someone like Cornette would know better. We've seen this same strategy bite WWE in the ass time and time again (though they never actually had written contracts with the guys at first) and they got bit this time. I am not saying they didn't make a stupid move or anything, just King was a little bitch in all this. Got his way every step of the way and pulled a classic wrestler move dicking over the company the had a title in. Does Cornette actually have power in ROH? I thought he was a figurehead. He's got a legit executive position and is basically in charge of creative for them. Delirious is head booker but he takes Cornette's vision and makes it happen from what I have heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:10:10 GMT -5
While it wasn't necessarily on the up and up, I don't fault the man for doing what he thought was best for himself. I feel bad for Rhett, of course, but I'm sure at the end of the day he's not that mad at Kenny for taking an opportunity put in front of him.
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Post by KEJB on Jul 6, 2012 0:15:54 GMT -5
Rhett can get so over off this. I hope he does.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2012 0:17:27 GMT -5
Rhett can get so over off this. I hope he does. This is true. If Cornette/Delirious are smart, they just found their next super babyface.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 6, 2012 0:17:34 GMT -5
Okay reading through various snippets it sounds like ROH knew about King having a match set up with TNA in advance and gave Kenny permission to have a match. Sounds like they didn't think/know TNA wanted him to win and compete on the ppv and when they found out, ROH tried to force Kenny to skip his TNA booking and Kenny refused to do that.
Sounds like the ROH roster is happy Kenny got the shot, but they feel bad for Rhett.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2012 0:22:26 GMT -5
Okay reading through various snippets it sounds like ROH knew about King having a match set up with TNA in advance and gave Kenny permission to have a match. Sounds like they didn't think/know TNA wanted him to win and compete on the ppv and when they found out, ROH tried to force Kenny to skip his TNA booking and Kenny refused to do that. I get the impression ROH didn't want Kenny to compete for another company at all until their verbal agreement was up, though they may have been willing to bend it for a dark match. The fact that he competed and won on Impact and will now be competing at their PPV is just the icing on the cake.
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