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Post by dpg on Jul 6, 2012 13:12:31 GMT -5
I think TNA & WWE will continue to cannibalize ROH for their own growth. I call it the ECW c.1997 effect, every time the company created a new big star WWF or WCW would lure that star away until by 2000 ECW was left with next to nothing, I doubt TNA can pay as much as WCW would have done at the time, plus ECW did have that nasty habit of not paying guys. However I'm guessing TNA pay more than ROH at the mo and with the reduction in ROH house shows etc its a steadier income.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2012 13:15:03 GMT -5
Though, knowing how...finnicky Quack can be sometimes, that might be more trouble than it's worth to Dixie in the long run. Oh? I'm not familiar with Quack actions behind the scenes for real, can't really comment on that. I'm not gonna say concretely that it's something that will affect the relationship, but Quack's reputed to be......somewhat difficult to work with, at times, unless you're one of HIS people. That said, as long as no one's asked to unmask without his say-so, should be fine.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 6, 2012 13:24:28 GMT -5
Oh? I'm not familiar with Quack actions behind the scenes for real, can't really comment on that. I'm not gonna say concretely that it's something that will affect the relationship, but Quack's reputed to be......somewhat difficult to work with, at times, unless you're one of HIS people. That said, as long as no one's asked to unmask without his say-so, should be fine. Oh. I have heard stories about him being pretty protective which I don't really blame him for. Was never sure how serious he was about it though. Unmasking? You're talking about what happened with Jigsaw in ROH right? Thought that might have been squashed considering the deal ROH/Chikara had this year. However, maybe you're not even talking about that.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 6, 2012 13:45:39 GMT -5
Credit: F4WOnline.com
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 13:49:15 GMT -5
If Kenny didn't put pen to paper last night with TNA, he is the biggest idiot in the world.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 6, 2012 13:53:25 GMT -5
If Kenny didn't put pen to paper last night with TNA, he is the biggest idiot in the world. Yeah that's another element to the story, he might have played himself. Burned one bridge while not even attempting to make sure the other one is secure. For the tourny I thought for sure Sonjay was winning before last night but now...I don't know. Remember though TNA got several guys last year who lost in the tourney.(Ion, Kash, Nese) I thought the scene with Aries was a good sign but man...I don't know! This has been an interesting past day and a half to say the least.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 6, 2012 14:06:46 GMT -5
Considering Davey Richards broke his verbal contract with EVOLVE to sign with ROH, I cant say I have much sympathy for Cornette and co. two very different situations for starters, Davey was already under contract with ROH when all that went down, they just allowed him to compete for other promotions (which they still do) including DGUSA. then, Gabe initiated things when he decided to one-up ROH by announcing the first three wrestlers competing on DGUSA's WrestleMania weekend shows: Davey Richards and The Young Bucks (which is weird, considering the whole point of DGUSA was to showcase, you know, the Dragon Gate wrestlers). ROH tried to work out an agreement with Gabe to where he could compete for both companies that weekend, and Gabe basically told them to f*** off. after that, then ROH offered Davey a raise to sign a longer contract and pulled him from the DGUSA shows, not EVOLVE. Gabe then threw a hissy fit and stopped booking him in EVOLVE in retaliation. ROH didn't go out of their way to screw them over DGUSA or EVOLVE. all Gabe had to do was try to work with ROH, but he was pissed at them and tried to act all big and bad and it blew up in his face, and he's the real reason Davey's no longer in either promotion. also, Cornette was working for TNA at the time and didn't have anything to do what happened between ROH, Gabe and Davey
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 6, 2012 14:18:00 GMT -5
I'm not gonna say concretely that it's something that will affect the relationship, but Quack's reputed to be......somewhat difficult to work with, at times, unless you're one of HIS people. That said, as long as no one's asked to unmask without his say-so, should be fine. Oh. I have heard stories about him being pretty protective which I don't really blame him for. Was never sure how serious he was about it though. Unmasking? You're talking about what happened with Jigsaw in ROH right? Thought that might have been squashed considering the deal ROH/Chikara had this year. However, maybe you're not even talking about that. Yeah he was pissed about Jigsaw being unmasked, not just cause of the action but that it was just a throw away segment on a Newswire. Quack felt how the unmasking went was extremely disrespectful. I THINK Quack was also a bit ticked about how a few of his other students were treated when they got ROH tryouts a few years ago. Obviously he is still able to do business with them but they haven't exactly seen eye to eye. The more I think about this though, the more I think ROH might have more issues than people believe/want to accept. I have heard rumors of several wrestlers not wanting to renew their ROH contracts and just wanting to be pay per appearance again.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2012 15:07:09 GMT -5
Warning: Language
An interview King and Titus talking about ROH and Sinclair.
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 15:13:27 GMT -5
Warning: Language An interview King and Titus talking about ROH and Sinclair. Interesting. He brings up some great points and I really agree with him. I also cannot blame him for wanting to leave, I just don't like how it went down no matter who was at fault.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2012 15:16:53 GMT -5
Warning: Language An interview King and Titus talking about ROH and Sinclair. Interesting. He brings up some great points and I really agree with him. I also cannot blame him for wanting to leave, I just don't like how it went down no matter who was at fault. My feelings exactly.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 6, 2012 15:19:25 GMT -5
so judging by that small clip, they don't seem to like their own product. Kenny seemed stronger in his dislike though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 15:21:24 GMT -5
I haven't regularly watched ROH in years, so that was my first exposure to King. Dude looked like a star. Hopefully TNA gets him on full time.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 6, 2012 15:28:40 GMT -5
So something was going to go down a few months down the line anyway if that would get included in the final cut of the interview. Kenny just speeded up the process.
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Post by dpg on Jul 6, 2012 15:29:11 GMT -5
Warning: Language An interview King and Titus talking about ROH and Sinclair. He doesn't seem happy at all in that teaser, although they could have tagged together a lot of negative stuff.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 6, 2012 15:36:41 GMT -5
So after seeing this clip, I agree with what the ANX is saying about ROH at this point in time. Still doesn't take away from the sleaziness of the move King made for TNA. I don't blame him, but again pretty sleazy.
Kenny did gain a bit of kudos with me though for quoting a Chappelle's Show skit in the clip though.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 6, 2012 15:39:07 GMT -5
Personally, I have stated that after the ROH Border Wars crap that I was done with them. I unfollowed them from twitter and unsubscribed them from Youtube.
I was really into the whole Kevin Steen stuff, but once I found I could not see the iPPV where he won the belt......that killed my interest in that angle. I was really happy to see ANX win the tag titles, but since Kenny is no longer there that is done with. So really the only interest I really now have with ROH is the Briscoe Brothers shenanigans.
And I do agree that I blame alot of this loss of love for ROH on Sinclair Incorporated and their terrible cost cutting measures (if I don't know any of what is going on.....which really, I didnt know between Border Wars and Best In The World 2012 (your video newswires have completely almost vanished), why would I have any interest in any of your angles). I really believe that Sinclair is killing this company just like TNN killed ECW, MTV killing several wrestling promotions and AOL/Time Warner killed WCW.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2012 15:44:35 GMT -5
Personally, I have stated that after the ROH Border Wars crap that I was done with them. I unfollowed them from twitter and unsubscribed them from Youtube. I was really into the whole Kevin Steen stuff, but once I found I could not see the iPPV where he won the belt......that killed my interest in that angle. I was really happy to see ANX win the tag titles, but since Kenny is no longer there that is done with. So really the only interest I really now have with ROH is the Briscoe Brothers shenanigans. And I do agree that I blame alot of this loss of love for ROH on Sinclair Incorporated and their terrible cost cutting measures (if I don't know any of what is going on.....which really, I didnt know between Border Wars and Best In The World 2012 (your video newswires have completely almost vanished), why would I have any interest in any of your angles). I really believe that Sinclair is killing this company just like TNN killed ECW, MTV killing several wrestling promotions and AOL/Time Warner killed WCW. Fact of the matter though is that ROH would probably already be dead without Sinclair, apparently Cary Silkin was operating under a big loss.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 6, 2012 15:44:41 GMT -5
Personally, I have stated that after the ROH Border Wars crap that I was done with them. I unfollowed them from twitter and unsubscribed them from Youtube. I was really into the whole Kevin Steen stuff, but once I found I could not see the iPPV where he won the belt......that killed my interest in that angle. I was really happy to see ANX win the tag titles, but since Kenny is no longer there that is done with. So really the only interest I really now have with ROH is the Briscoe Brothers shenanigans. And I do agree that I blame alot of this loss of love for ROH on Sinclair Incorporated and their terrible cost cutting measures (if I don't know any of what is going on.....which really, I didnt know between Border Wars and Best In The World 2012 (your video newswires have completely almost vanished), why would I have any interest in any of your angles). I really believe that Sinclair is killing this company just like TNN killed ECW, MTV killing several wrestling promotions and AOL/Time Warner killed WCW. To be fair, the TNN/ECW thint was partly TNN partly Paul. TNN always wanted to make a run for WWF so in that sense they didn't fully back ECW, but at the same time during the first (first couple?) tv tapings, TNN gave ECW good equipment and a top production crew but Paul refused to use them. As for Sinclair, I had a feeling when the deal happened it would be bad for ROH mainly because it wasn't just a tv deal. They sold a majority share to Sinclair meaning Sinclair could do whatever they wanted.
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 15:49:54 GMT -5
ROH would have died at Final Battle 2010 if Cornette hadn't talked to Joe Koff and Gary Juster and convinced them to get Sinclair to buy the company.
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