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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 6, 2012 16:00:25 GMT -5
Well..............now ROH is going to be in a WCW situation of death where people are only going to be sad the company died because people are gonna lose their jobs.
When ECW, people were sad that company died for more reasons than people losing their jobs.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2012 16:03:05 GMT -5
The thing is, ROH is replaceable. Chikara and PWG will grow to fill that void. PWG especially is really coming into it's own, and that's likely where your Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards guys will go if ROH dies. Truth is, with the bigger indy companies, when one dies, there's usually a remnant left over to sprout something new. That said, I don't think we'll be mourning ROH's death any time in the immediate future.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 6, 2012 16:15:05 GMT -5
If it's anything like ECW, if ROH dies, there'll be ten thousand indies sprouting up to take its place. CHIKARA will likely rise to become #3.
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 16:20:44 GMT -5
The thing is, ROH is replaceable. Chikara and PWG will grow to fill that void. PWG especially is really coming into it's own, and that's likely where your Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards guys will go if ROH dies. Truth is, with the bigger indy companies, when one dies, there's usually a remnant left over to sprout something new. That said, I don't think we'll be mourning ROH's death any time in the immediate future. I think Gabe would get most of the talent to be honest. Probably a split between them, PWG and CZW but Gabe would move into the number 3 spot just because of his connections with Japan, stable business and history with most of the talent.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 6, 2012 16:41:30 GMT -5
PWG will not fill the spot of ROH. of the major indies they are definitely one of the smallest, having scaled back big time from how they were running years ago. now they only run in one building, hold a show every couple of months, and the cards are mostly full of local wrestlers. its a whole lot of fun to go see live (which i will get to do in a couple of weeks for the first time since January) but it isn't near the level ROH was or is
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2012 16:43:13 GMT -5
PWG will not fill the spot of ROH. of the major indies they are definitely one of the smallest, having scaled back big time from how they were running years ago. now they only run in one building, hold a show every couple of months, and the cards are mostly full of local wrestlers. its a whole lot of fun to go see live (which i will get to do in a couple of weeks for the first time since January) but it isn't near the level ROH was or is Is that a fact? I'll admit, I assumed they were growing as a company because I just hear about them a lot more now than I ever did in the past. Fair enough. Prediction retracted.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jul 6, 2012 16:59:16 GMT -5
i'll just say i'm disappointed with all parties involved with this.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jul 6, 2012 17:07:40 GMT -5
I reckon King will be the next X Division Champion. That's the only way all of this will be worthwhile for him.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 6, 2012 17:48:49 GMT -5
EDIT: Having seen the interview its hard to argue the points King raised. Although Titus wasn't fully along with King for the arguement against ROH but he wasn't objecting it either. If I was Titus I would jump from the sinking ship whenever his contract is up, but atleast give ROH a bit of notice with this one as they atleast have a taste of their own medicine verbal contract wise. Then re-unite King, Titus and Aries in ROH. Plus it gives Aries an excuse to move back to his pornstar look he was rocking while he was with them/champion.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 6, 2012 19:13:15 GMT -5
Already been discussed over the last couple of pages.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Jul 6, 2012 19:13:58 GMT -5
I don't give hat video much merit. Both guys look drunk and Rhett is high as a muthaf***a!
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Post by Starshine on Jul 6, 2012 19:19:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this talk of ROH being easily replacable is coming from. They're clearly miles bigger than any other indy currently in existance. Plus when you look at the other companies that could take their place, they're either too niche, or are nowhere near the point where they'd be a viable alternative based on their size or scope.
But this is really lousy news, and I really hope King and TNA have a strong relationship planned, because he's really buned the biggest bridge he had. Plus I really hope this doesn't bite Titus.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Jul 6, 2012 19:55:55 GMT -5
PWG will not fill the spot of ROH. of the major indies they are definitely one of the smallest, having scaled back big time from how they were running years ago. now they only run in one building, hold a show every couple of months, and the cards are mostly full of local wrestlers. its a whole lot of fun to go see live (which i will get to do in a couple of weeks for the first time since January) but it isn't near the level ROH was or is Is that a fact? I'll admit, I assumed they were growing as a company because I just hear about them a lot more now than I ever did in the past. Fair enough. Prediction retracted. It sure is. I've been going to almost every PWG show since Threemendous II and they've definitely scaled back since then and they started shrinking their show schedules and number of fly-ins they booked since the beginning of 2009. There's been a slight uptick in fly-ins recently but they all get booked constantly and they're almost always involved wrestling the local guys. I think the reason PWG's stock has risen in the past two years is that the show quality is amazing each and every show. Even the "B-shows" are a lot of fun.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 6, 2012 20:12:36 GMT -5
There is something I forgot to bring up about ROH. Recently on one of his podcast episodes Colt Cabana mentioned how ROH doesn't even want to offer him a contract. Really? The guy who got mentioned on national TV by one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE(CM Punk), ROH just says oh no we don't like money we aren't going to offer you a contract. Who cares if you wrestled in ROH for years and you are popular. Yeah something tells me ROH is screwed here in the next year or two. At this point who really cares? They are obviously being ran by a company(Sinclair) that doesn't know what the hell they are doing. The thing is, ROH is replaceable. Chikara and PWG will grow to fill that void. PWG especially is really coming into it's own, and that's likely where your Davey Richards, Eddie Edwards guys will go if ROH dies. Truth is, with the bigger indy companies, when one dies, there's usually a remnant left over to sprout something new. That said, I don't think we'll be mourning ROH's death any time in the immediate future. \ I agree about PWG. PWG is still very niche but recently in the last year I've heard they have been getting a lot of celebrities to show up to watch. Makes sense considering they are in the L.A. area but they are obviously gaining a bit of a reputation. Hopefully they are smart enough to use that because it's not like they are making huge money. Their attendance for shows are still very small even though they have celebrities showing up.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 6, 2012 20:18:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this talk of ROH being easily replacable is coming from. They're clearly miles bigger than any other indy currently in existance. Plus when you look at the other companies that could take their place, they're either too niche, or are nowhere near the point where they'd be a viable alternative based on their size or scope. But this is really lousy news, and I really hope King and TNA have a strong relationship planned, because he's really buned the biggest bridge he had. Plus I really hope this doesn't bite Titus. For where they are they are easily replaceable. Their whole core audiance is most likely less than 40,000. We can clearly see that since the average iPPV buys are well under 20,000. ROH never gained the momentum that ECW had back in the 90s. Could they have if wrestling was hotter? Most likely but wrestling hasn't been popular in the mainstream for ten years now so they haven't.
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Post by Starshine on Jul 6, 2012 20:30:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure where this talk of ROH being easily replacable is coming from. They're clearly miles bigger than any other indy currently in existance. Plus when you look at the other companies that could take their place, they're either too niche, or are nowhere near the point where they'd be a viable alternative based on their size or scope. But this is really lousy news, and I really hope King and TNA have a strong relationship planned, because he's really buned the biggest bridge he had. Plus I really hope this doesn't bite Titus. For where they are they are easily replaceable. Their whole core audiance is most likely less than 40,000. We can clearly see that since the average iPPV buys are well under 20,000. ROH never gained the momentum that ECW had back in the 90s. Could they have if wrestling was hotter? Most likely but wrestling hasn't been popular in the mainstream for ten years now so they haven't. I'm not exactly sure how that explains why they are replaceable. While their audience may have shrunk, I'm willing to bet it's still bigger than any other American indy out there today. And if we're going to use the 'wrestling's not popular anymore' analogy to explain some of their shortfalls. Then what's to say any other company currently out there would have any more success in their position?
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Post by Error on Jul 6, 2012 20:40:49 GMT -5
ROH gets 2000 iPPV buys which is far and away over what any other iPPV does. They have semi-national TV and are running shows in far more markets than any other indy. In no way are they easily replaceable. It'd be just like when ECW went down and you have 4 or 5 other companies picking up the scraps and hoping to get those fans which won't happen. Chikara won't get the fans of the serious stuff and Gabe's faction love already drove people away from ROH. PWG doesn't run enough or have enough penetration and CZW still has the stink of the Zandig/TOD stuff on it despite how far it has come.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 6, 2012 21:07:23 GMT -5
Is this sort of like the Nash situation from WCW, with the handshake agreement?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 6, 2012 21:07:58 GMT -5
I can't help but be both amused and saddened by the discussion over whether or not ROH would be easy to replace should it go under, given how many times I have had to make the same arguments in favour of TNA, that another company won't just spring up to replace them. While I've never been a fan, I hope the people running RoH manage to turn the ship around, wrestling needs places like RoH, where guys can hone their skills and turn from generic indie guys to people that major companies see as future main eventers.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jul 6, 2012 21:33:24 GMT -5
PWG has been getting a lot more attention lately because they're working with what they're given. They only run at most once a month, so they've basically stopped doing any angles, and started booking every show as a Dream Match show. Aside from guys wanting to steal the show and/or win titles, there are only three things that could even be remotely called storylines:
1: Generico and Steen hate each other.
2: Joey Ryan likes to abuse Candice LeRae.
3: Everyone hates the Young Bucks.
So, basically, that's why they've been getting so much attention. Every card has at least one or two matches that makes everyone say, "Holy S***, I've been waiting forever to see that match!!!!" Case in point, In April we got Steen vs. Callihan.
In short, if they started running more shows in more places, they'd have to start running more angles to keep interest up, and then the thing that makes them special would be gone.
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