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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Apr 5, 2012 16:32:36 GMT -5
I'd be cool with seeing many of these in movie form... but not as Avengers films. In an Avengers film, I want to see stuff like Ultron, Kang, and the Masters of Evil.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Apr 5, 2012 16:53:41 GMT -5
I'd like to see Ultron, but there's too much backstory to weed through without having already introduced Pym.
If they had Pym as a background character here, designing an ULTRON system or something a la cyberdyne/skynet, I'd think that they were planting the seeds for later on.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 5, 2012 19:50:19 GMT -5
I'd like to see Ultron, but there's too much backstory to weed through without having already introduced Pym. If they had Pym as a background character here, designing an ULTRON system or something a la cyberdyne/skynet, I'd think that they were planting the seeds for later on. Nah, you could set up Ultron Unlimited pretty easily. Audiences are familiar with evil robots, just dump all the "Pym family" stuff and Ultron can be created/introduced in a cold opening/credits sequence. Genius creates AI/AI hates humanity/AI slaughters a country/AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!! can be done in 2.5 hours. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 5, 2012 20:00:39 GMT -5
A big to a Civil War movie. Unless you want people to not go to any Iron Man movie again because he'll be seen as such a massive douche that moviegoers will never get invested into him again.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Apr 5, 2012 22:20:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see Ultron, but there's too much backstory to weed through without having already introduced Pym. If they had Pym as a background character here, designing an ULTRON system or something a la cyberdyne/skynet, I'd think that they were planting the seeds for later on. Nah, you could set up Ultron Unlimited pretty easily. Audiences are familiar with evil robots, just dump all the "Pym family" stuff and Ultron can be created/introduced in a cold opening/credits sequence. Genius creates AI/AI hates humanity/AI slaughters a country/AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!! can be done in 2.5 hours. While it would be possible to do that, Ultron's just not Ultron without Hank Pym. |
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Post by Jam on Apr 8, 2012 0:11:59 GMT -5
Nah, you could set up Ultron Unlimited pretty easily. Audiences are familiar with evil robots, just dump all the "Pym family" stuff and Ultron can be created/introduced in a cold opening/credits sequence. Genius creates AI/AI hates humanity/AI slaughters a country/AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!! can be done in 2.5 hours. While it would be possible to do that, Ultron's just not Ultron without Hank Pym. They could just introduce Hank Pym in Iron Man 3. Then have the Pym story continue in the Ant Man movie. In the Ant Man movie you introduce Wasp and Ultron. All of that could lead into Avengers 2. That way when Avengers 2 enters production you have two new team members (Wasp and Ant Man) and a new villain (Ultron). |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 8, 2012 1:07:42 GMT -5
Joss Whedon did say he wants the Avengers 2 to be smaller in scale and have more pain, loss, and complexity within the group and the storyline. So maybe Ultron will be the next villain? I honestly want to see Thanos.
You need a bigger threat and Ultron to me isn't that big of a threat. He's a great villain don't get me wrong, however, you need a villain that is going to cause destruction, chaos, death, and fear. Thanos to me seems like a given for the next villain.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 8, 2012 1:12:26 GMT -5
When are they going to introduce Tigra? Yes, I know she is one of the least known and suckiest members of The Avengers, but sue me for having a thing for a hot cat-babe in a bikini.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Apr 8, 2012 1:17:14 GMT -5
I'd like to see Ultron, but there's too much backstory to weed through without having already introduced Pym. If they had Pym as a background character here, designing an ULTRON system or something a la cyberdyne/skynet, I'd think that they were planting the seeds for later on. An Ant-man movie is sitting around waiting to be made. It was optioned, written and has Edgar Wright ready to direct. It is part of the Avengers continuity as of right now. And it is getting closer to green lighting. So Ultron can happen with background. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Apr 8, 2012 1:23:44 GMT -5
Joss Whedon did say he wants the Avengers 2 to be smaller in scale and have more pain, loss, and complexity within the group and the storyline. So maybe Ultron will be the next villain? I honestly want to see Thanos. You need a bigger threat and Ultron to me isn't that big of a threat. He's a great villain don't get me wrong, however, you need a villain that is going to cause destruction, chaos, death, and fear. Thanos to me seems like a given for the next villain. Ultron has shown himself capable of destroying entire nations and bringing war to numerous galaxies. I'm pretty sure he qualifies as a villain who can cause destruction, chaos, death, and fear. They could just introduce Hank Pym in Iron Man 3. Then have the Pym story continue in the Ant Man movie. In the Ant Man movie you introduce Wasp and Ultron. All of that could lead into Avengers 2. That way when Avengers 2 enters production you have two new team members (Wasp and Ant Man) and a new villain (Ultron). That could work, but I'd still rather see Ant-Man and Wasp in at least 1 Avengers film before they bring in Ultron. My preferred method for the Avengers films would be to do the Masters of Evil in the 2nd film (made up of the next round of villains in the solo movies) with Ultron being the villain in the 3rd film. |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Apr 8, 2012 1:25:38 GMT -5
I am kind of surprised Steve Jobs didn't invent Ultron... Or maybe he did...
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 8, 2012 1:31:55 GMT -5
If they are looking to make a second Avengers film more emotional, then Ultron is not a bad choice as a villain. While i know it would not be accurate, would it be a huge jump to have him be a Tony Stark creation? That would be the most logical way to bring him into the current storyline.
But I suspect more easily they could just plain not have a villain at all, and instead come up with a plot loosely based around the Civil War story where the team members find themselves having to side against each other.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 8, 2012 1:40:38 GMT -5
I think they could do variations on both Civil War and Siege.
Assuming the core 6 heroes from the first film all survive, the sequel can be an adaptation of Civil War that goes like this. In the wake of the events of the first film a lot of B and C level heroes come out of the woodwork, in addition to some groups of wannabe heroes(think the fake Batmen in The Dark Knight), one day one of these wannabe groups attacks some lesser villains and cause a sizeable amount of civilian casualties. This results in the registration act and two sides form with the core 6 being split down the middle. My idea is either it is Captain America, Thor, and Hawkeye vs. Iron Man, Hulk, and Black Widow(this would be more fair, two powered and one "normal" on each side) or powered vs. "normal" with Capt, Hulk, and Thor vs. Iron Man, Hawkeye, and Black Widow. They fight, do their thing, end with the death of Captain America.
The third film would be based on Siege and my idea is it would take place a few years after the second film, the civil war now finally over, but there is a rift between The Avengers, with Captain America's side being scattered to the wind as Thor went back to Asgard after Capt's death, leaving their side of the conflict leaderless. Asgard is attacked by an army from Earth. I haven't decided onif it should be an army of normal humans led by Loki or an army of heroes led by Iron Man and SHIELD under the orders of Fury, who has been tricked by Loki into thinking that Asgard was a threat. Either way the invasion would be Loki's doing.
Not perfect ideas, mind you. I'll even own up to it. Still, just saying it could be done without even uniting all of Marvel's characters together.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 8, 2012 7:35:16 GMT -5
I'd love for a Secret Wars movie, as dopey as the premise is, but most of the main players are off at other studios.
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Post by "Handsome" Whitey Fats on Apr 8, 2012 10:19:28 GMT -5
X-cutioner's Song
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 8, 2012 10:38:28 GMT -5
hopefully none of them. Id rather see somewhat original stories. if I want to see Infinity Gauntlet I'll just read the book. I doubt you could do it justice on screen anyway. the rest of the stories optioned above suck ass so I have no desire to see them. "Avengers Under Siege" (not Siege, that story was written in an afternoon and sucked ass) would be a good place to start when it comes to a sequel, though. Now that is a good choice. You wouldn't have to mess with the tangled legal s*** of properties and could continue to use the Avengers, and do an updated take on the Masters of Evil story. Either that or the Busiek/Perez Ultron story I'd dig. I'd love to see the Ultron story on screen. Busiek knew how to make the Avengers' missions seem like a big deal. he didn't treat them like some informal street-level adventurer's club. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 8, 2012 10:41:22 GMT -5
Joss Whedon did say he wants the Avengers 2 to be smaller in scale and have more pain, loss, and complexity within the group and the storyline. So maybe Ultron will be the next villain? I honestly want to see Thanos. You need a bigger threat and Ultron to me isn't that big of a threat. He's a great villain don't get me wrong, however, you need a villain that is going to cause destruction, chaos, death, and fear. Thanos to me seems like a given for the next villain. have you read Kurt Busiek's Ultron story? he brings death and destruction in ways that were positively nightmare fuel. he destroyed an entire country and turned them into zombie robot slaves, just so he could goad the Avengers into attacking him. I'd argue he's the most terrfying Avengers villain there is. if there was ever an Avengers villain you coould call a "Complete Monster" [/TvTropes] it's Ultron. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 8, 2012 11:04:31 GMT -5
Joss Whedon did say he wants the Avengers 2 to be smaller in scale and have more pain, loss, and complexity within the group and the storyline. So maybe Ultron will be the next villain? I honestly want to see Thanos. You need a bigger threat and Ultron to me isn't that big of a threat. He's a great villain don't get me wrong, however, you need a villain that is going to cause destruction, chaos, death, and fear. Thanos to me seems like a given for the next villain. have you read Kurt Busiek's Ultron story? he brings death and destruction in ways that were positively nightmare fuel. he destroyed an entire country and turned them into zombie robot slaves, just so he could goad the Avengers into attacking him. I'd argue he's the most terrfying Avengers villain there is. if there was ever an Avengers villain you coould call a "Complete Monster" [/TvTropes] it's Ultron.  This is Ultron standing on the corpses of an entire nation, having light many of them on fire just to form his own logo. That's about as evil as anything depicted in comics. Also, the final battle would start with one of the most epic lines in Avengers history: "Ultron. We would have words with thee." |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 8, 2012 11:20:50 GMT -5
if they ever do use Ultron in the movies they should make himm sound like Soundwave. that's how I always pictured hi sounding.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Apr 13, 2012 15:11:02 GMT -5
Well, after reading a synopsis of the film, it's pretty obvious now... {Spoiler}Evidently, in the middle of the credits, a cloaked figure in black approaches an unseen man in a darkened room, informing him of Loki's failure. He tells the man "To trifle with Earth is to court death."
The camera then pans over to a smirking Thanos. Also, apparently that's not even the post-credit scene. The post-credit scene is reportedly not even finished yet and wasn't attached to the film's LA premiere. |
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