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Post by JLAJRC on May 26, 2012 18:55:41 GMT -5
Honestly, unless they're also making Jay Garrick gay (GL and Flash have the greatest male/male relationship in comics, not Batman/Robin) this is kinda a meh to me, simply because the rebooted characters aren't from the 1930s/40s anymore. A story about a gay superhero during WW2 is interesting to me. But setting them in todays setting doesn't interest me all that much.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2012 7:30:26 GMT -5
Flash #9 revealed {Spoiler}Director Singh & Pied Piper are lovers that doesn't count. Piper was already gay.
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 7:51:59 GMT -5
Flash #9 revealed {Spoiler}Director Singh & Pied Piper are lovers that doesn't count. Piper was already gay. I don't think Singh was though or it was never mentioned
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2012 8:05:06 GMT -5
yeah but this Director Singh guy is hardly "Iconic".
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 8:17:16 GMT -5
Ah I misread, As soon as I saw "Prominant" Singh went out the window
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2012 8:24:26 GMT -5
Im confused.
In Flash, they acknowledge that Hartley used to be the Pied Piper, but they refer to him as a vigilante. Does that mean he was never a Rogue? Does that mean any story that even half features him has essentially, never happened?
Wasn't he quite a big part of the conclusion to one of the Crisis events?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2012 8:31:21 GMT -5
he was, but even before the new 52 reboot, DC was doing all it could to pretend Countdown never happened. it was that bad.
and Hartley's been a good guy for such a long time that him not being a Rogue in the new 52 doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference. just means he never had to put up with Weather Wizard and Heatwave make cracks about him being gay.
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 8:33:57 GMT -5
Im confused. In Flash, they acknowledge that Hartley used to be the Pied Piper, but they refer to him as a vigilante. Does that mean he was never a Rogue? Does that mean any story that even half features him has essentially, never happened? Wasn't he quite a big part of the conclusion to one of the Crisis events? Only "countdown to Final Crisis" which DC & it's readers want to forget because it SUCKED. He may become a rogue yet as the rogues aren't the rogues at this point (Only Cold has been seen & Weather Wizard is next issue).
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2012 8:34:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Countdown was pretty poor, but I did like the Pied Piper/Trickster thread. I reckon in this new era of Marvel and DC trying to out-gay each other, those two totally would have got it on if Countdown was happening right now.
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 8:37:32 GMT -5
Maybe piper's relationship with Singh will take a sour turn and he gets it on with another villain (Also In "Stormwatch" Apollo & Midnighter are gay).
We've yet to see most of Flash's heavy hitters as only Capt Cold & gorilla Grodd has been so far.
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2012 8:42:58 GMT -5
Gay villains are the one place that they haven't really gone yet. I'd kinda like to see how that gets portrayed.
Never been a fan of Stormwatch. Is it any good?
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 8:48:05 GMT -5
As long as they don't go overly "Camp" gay then it could work (Bunker is the right balance IMO)
Also Stormwatch is pretty good but at times it's technobabble makes it hard to understand sometimes, But it doesn't ruin it.
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2012 8:52:25 GMT -5
Ah, Teen Titans was the one and only exception I was making to my DC boycott, because I wanted to see Bunker.
I no longer read TT.
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 8:54:08 GMT -5
I think Teen Titans has been good, Especially "The Culling" crossover that's just finished
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2012 9:02:27 GMT -5
It was just too much for me.
I disliked all the new characters. I really disliked the new personality given to Tim, HATED the new Superboy and Bunker was just.......a step back for me.
Granted flamboyant gay characters need to exist in order to help people who are flamboyant and to represent them, as not every gay person is 'straight acting,' but it's something I really dislike seeing because it's just the easy way to write a gay character.
Im considering breaking my no new DC rule for Robinson's Earth 2, and Ressurection Man is DnA, so I feel I should be reading it. But I just hate the whole universe reboot thing.
I suppose I could read illegally so as to make sure DC doesn't get my money, but then I'd feel bad.
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Post by ronin705 on May 27, 2012 11:48:05 GMT -5
If DC wanted to REALLY break some new ground and not just do this for cash grab, they'd turn Nightwing. Doing this also gives a good writer a chance to explore the potential psychological effects that Dick may have had from when he was raped, and how it led to his new position. Also, the Bat Family is usually the center of major changes in DC (Barbara= used to be crippled, Damien = for all intents and purposes Bruce and Talia's clone, plus the seemingly pre-requisite family tragedy origin).
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Post by judodave on May 27, 2012 12:00:00 GMT -5
Doing this also gives a good writer a chance to explore the potential psychological effects that Dick may have had from when he was raped. Okay I don't read DC that much so I have to ask......
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Post by Jiren on May 27, 2012 12:30:14 GMT -5
Yeah Dick was raped but some still beleave he was only dry humped
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2012 14:18:55 GMT -5
It was just too much for me. I disliked all the new characters. I really disliked the new personality given to Tim, HATED the new Superboy and Bunker was just.......a step back for me. Granted flamboyant gay characters need to exist in order to help people who are flamboyant and to represent them, as not every gay person is 'straight acting,' but it's something I really dislike seeing because it's just the easy way to write a gay character. Im considering breaking my no new DC rule for Robinson's Earth 2, and Ressurection Man is DnA, so I feel I should be reading it. But I just hate the whole universe reboot thing. I suppose I could read illegally so as to make sure DC doesn't get my money, but then I'd feel bad. Stormwatch is definitely worth a read. they hit a rough patch early on when Paul Cornell quit and DC couldn't make up thheir mind about his permanent replacement until Paul Jenkins already had 2 issues in the bag. if you like Superhero books that take a Hard SF approach like the kind of things Warren Ellis writes, or Grant Morrison's run on X-men, or charcters with really bizarre superpowers (Jack Hawksmoor, the guy who can talk to cities) it's definitely a book to check out. also, it has Apollo and Midnighter, who are two of the best written gay superheroes of all time. they're like Batman and Superman only even more over-the-top badass, and there's nary a camp quality about either of them.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 27, 2012 14:20:17 GMT -5
If DC wanted to REALLY break some new ground and not just do this for cash grab, they'd turn Nightwing. Doing this also gives a good writer a chance to explore the potential psychological effects that Dick may have had from when he was raped, and how it led to his new position. Also, the Bat Family is usually the center of major changes in DC (Barbara= used to be crippled, Damien = for all intents and purposes Bruce and Talia's clone, plus the seemingly pre-requisite family tragedy origin). Dick Grayson's also comicdom's biggest manwhore, though. it'd be REALLY out of character if he was suddenly gay. there's a reason people freaked at the vary notion of DC going with Wally, and Dick would be even more ridiculous for the same reason. also, as someone who was sexually assaulted as a child and left with HUGE issues about what that meant for my sexual identity, I (and many others no doubt) would be more than a little offended at the idea that being raped turns you gay.
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