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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 22, 2011 19:22:51 GMT -5
Altering history here and the reason I post it here is because this goes back to the days before the Attitude Era of course.
So say there wasn't a clique calling the shots backstage, possibly derailing careers, ushering in what became the Attitude era and some of the biggest stars defecting to WCW and starting the nWo.
Shawn Michaels catches a lot of flack admittedly so for his attitude and the wrestlers he helped hold down back during his original run, so what if these rebels weren't around? Where might the WWF have gone without them?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 22, 2011 19:43:15 GMT -5
The big angle going into Wrestlemania 14 is Austin taking down every member of the Hart Foundation, till only Bret remains. Austin still gets the WWF Title, and finally pins Bret.
The nWo still exists (although isn't as huge), and Austin still becomes the mega star.
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Post by dav on Dec 22, 2011 19:54:50 GMT -5
Depends. Do you mean no members of the Clique are in wrestling at all or simply haven't formed the group?
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 22, 2011 21:47:04 GMT -5
Depends. Do you mean no members of the Clique are in wrestling at all or simply haven't formed the group? no Shawn, Kevin or Scott |
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 22, 2011 23:21:31 GMT -5
Depends. Do you mean no members of the Clique are in wrestling at all or simply haven't formed the group? no Shawn, Kevin or Scott That's just such an insane altering of history that there's no way to realistically guess. Honestly, WWF might have tanked as early as 1995 if those guys weren't around. |
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Dec 22, 2011 23:21:48 GMT -5
It would affect WWE pretty dramatically:
1. Bam Bam, Ted Dibiase, Bret Hart (and through him, the Bulldog and the Anvil), Shane Douglas, Chris Candido, and many others would have probably stuck around WWE longer.
2. On the flip side, with no Hall/Nash, there is no NWO. WCW would have probably had little choice but eventually pushing guys like Jericho and Benoit into the main event scene, which probably would have worked out better in the long run, but it would have kept them neck in neck with WWE, rather than dominating, as they wouldn't have had that BIG ANGLE.
3. Triple H eventually would reach the main event scene in WWE, but it would have been a longer path even than the one he experienced in real life. Or perhaps not, as he wouldn't have had to take the heat for the MSG thing. Triple H is kind of the wild card here.
4. Sean Waltman would be a jobber that eventually gets a slight push, and then is a tag team guy from there on out.
5. McMahon would have probably feuded with Austin/andor/Bret.....not sure if that would have helped or hurt the whole scenario. I would probably have built Bret up as the champ until WM14, had Austin beat him, and then Bret vanish until much later in the year, and then have Austin actually bring him back to aid in the fight with Vince and the Corporation. This way, Austin would still get his chance to establish his Main Event cred before Bret comes back to share the spotlight.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 23, 2011 2:30:15 GMT -5
Something very similar, just with different people in the top roles. Owen, Bulldog, and Jarrett, and Tatanka probably all rise higher, and Bam Bam is the top heel.
Wrestling doesn't stay alive because of the individual performers. It stays alive because it's wrestling. Business isn't affected; everyone treads water until the Rock n Wrestling kids get to college and the ECW-infused attitude draws them back in.
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 23, 2011 21:05:22 GMT -5
Perhaps Vader gets the title in the summer of '96 and feuds with Bret Hart when he returns (assuming Bret still takes a break from TV post-WM XII without having HBK to pass the torch to). This might well delay Austin vs. Hart, which in turn slows Austin's progress to the point that he might get overlooked as the Hart match at Survivor Series '96 was so major in his rise.
For WCW, they'd still have Hogan, and turning him heel would've been big regardless. But I'd guess he would have to form a similar alliance as he couldn't really do what the nWo did on his own. He and probably Randy Savage and other ex-WWF guys could capture a similar vibe, but the lack of Hall and Nash defecting and going straight into the nWo angle would cost it a lot of edge..
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Post by Lila on Dec 23, 2011 21:10:07 GMT -5
It would affect WWE pretty dramatically: 1. Bam Bam, Ted Dibiase, Bret Hart (and through him, the Bulldog and the Anvil), Shane Douglas, Chris Candido, and many others would have probably stuck around WWE longer. 2. On the flip side, with no Hall/Nash, there is no NWO. WCW would have probably had little choice but eventually pushing guys like Jericho and Benoit into the main event scene, which probably would have worked out better in the long run, but it would have kept them neck in neck with WWE, rather than dominating, as they wouldn't have had that BIG ANGLE. 3. Triple H eventually would reach the main event scene in WWE, but it would have been a longer path even than the one he experienced in real life. Or perhaps not, as he wouldn't have had to take the heat for the MSG thing. Triple H is kind of the wild card here. 4. Sean Waltman would be a jobber that eventually gets a slight push, and then is a tag team guy from there on out. 5. McMahon would have probably feuded with Austin/andor/Bret.....not sure if that would have helped or hurt the whole scenario. I would probably have built Bret up as the champ until WM14, had Austin beat him, and then Bret vanish until much later in the year, and then have Austin actually bring him back to aid in the fight with Vince and the Corporation. This way, Austin would still get his chance to establish his Main Event cred before Bret comes back to share the spotlight. I don't know about 5 here. Bret/Michaels feud kinda launched McMahon into the spotlight because of the MSJ. |
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 23, 2011 21:39:41 GMT -5
I don't know about 5 here. Bret/Michaels feud kinda launched McMahon into the spotlight because of the MSJ. Maybe in a world without Shawn, it would've been the Bret/Jannetty feud that launched Mr McMahon ;D |
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Post by donny on Dec 23, 2011 22:53:10 GMT -5
I don't know about 5 here. Bret/Michaels feud kinda launched McMahon into the spotlight because of the MSJ. Maybe in a world without Shawn, it would've been the Bret Neidhart/Jannetty feud that launched Mr McMahon ;D Fixed |
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 23, 2011 23:13:13 GMT -5
Bam Bam would have won the Championship following WrestleMania XI.
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Post by Lila on Dec 24, 2011 0:40:12 GMT -5
Maybe in a world without Shawn, it would've been the Bret Neidhart/Jannetty feud that launched Mr McMahon ;D Fixed I'd be down with that.  |
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 24, 2011 10:34:01 GMT -5
Maybe in a world without Shawn, it would've been the Bret Neidhart/Jannetty feud that launched Mr McMahon ;D Fixed ;D |
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Post by Mac on Dec 24, 2011 13:49:10 GMT -5
You're taking away what basically carried WCW to unimaginable heights in the late 90s and then helped lead to it's downfall. I think WCW was going to go down the toilet no matter what with all the corporate mergers, it was only a matter of who would be there to pick up the pieces and how valuable the promotion would have been with a whole different cast of characters at the top.
WWE was in financial troubles WITH these guys. I'm not entirely certain the company would have made it into the attitude era.
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Post by flatsdomino on Dec 24, 2011 15:39:30 GMT -5
Brian Pillman would be married to Stephanie.
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 24, 2011 17:41:30 GMT -5
Sean Waltman would never have been born...
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Post by Lila on Dec 24, 2011 18:15:55 GMT -5
Brian Pillman would be married to Stephanie. Brian was already married and I'm not sure if you're serious. |
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Post by mysterious on Dec 24, 2011 18:59:08 GMT -5
Take away the "Clique" and Sunny doesn't cheat on skip. YA RIGHT!
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 24, 2011 19:21:36 GMT -5
That away the Clique (or did they spell it Kliq?) and the WWF would be out of business by 1997.
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