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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 23, 2011 16:43:39 GMT -5
I think the Nostalgia Critic is fine because he's doing "Reviews" as a critic and stating his own opinion. With Maffew's videos, that's not really the case. While I agree with your logic, I actually think the NC videos are more harmful to the IP owners than Botchamania is. With a lot of movies, you can watch the NC review and have basically no reason to ever watch the movie. He tells you the entire plot and shows all the important scenes. Then again, you could argue that since NC only does movies from the 90's and earlier, those studios weren't going to make much money from them anyway. That's not to say that I think anybody should come down on him, or that they legally could. Just that I think it's more harmful to movie studios or whatever than Botchamania is to wrestling companies.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Dec 23, 2011 16:59:55 GMT -5
Speaking on a very simplistic level, I think its a shame that something that is both funny and entertaining is being removed from every outlet it can be aired by a corporate machine that is petrified of losing the odd buck here and there and perhaps cracking the veneer of their image by showing how things actually happened rather than how people want them to be portrayed. Well said.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Dec 23, 2011 18:44:25 GMT -5
What bugs me more than anything is that WWE just suddenly decided to crack down on him. They didn't seem to care before, so why do they care now?
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 23, 2011 19:00:01 GMT -5
What bugs me more than anything is that WWE just suddenly decided to crack down on him. They didn't seem to care before, so why do they care now? They've been doing this since pretty much Botchamanias inception, I think Maffew has made like 10 accounts on YouTube already.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 23, 2011 19:00:31 GMT -5
What bugs me more than anything is that WWE just suddenly decided to crack down on him. They didn't seem to care before, so why do they care now? It's not that they didn't care before, they just now have software that does the job a lot faster and better than people could.
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Post by RareTradU on Dec 23, 2011 19:11:21 GMT -5
Why doesn't Maffew just get a server and host the videos himself? There's plenty of web hosting sites that offer unlimited space and bandwidth for very little cost. I'm sure he can get plenty of donations through his site. Everyone pretty much knows to go to BotchaMania.Com now anyways so he doesn't need YouTube. *Edit* But if he did that he personally would be responsible for the things he puts on his website. I used to run a website with downloadable theme music and received two cease and desist letters from WWE. I deleted everything rather quickly! Their letters are very persuasive
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Post by Jacob Lee on Dec 23, 2011 19:15:15 GMT -5
Speaking on a very simplistic level, I think its a shame that something that is both funny and entertaining is being removed from every outlet it can be aired by a corporate machine that is petrified of losing the odd buck here and there and rather than how people want them to be portrayed. I like Botchamania and everything, but lets not go overboard. They were just botch videos, man. No need to write a folk song about it. Maffew is obviously a funny and creative guy. He'll be fine. Best of luck to him!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 23, 2011 19:44:51 GMT -5
I'm sure Botchamania can continue without using WWE footage. Adapt and overcome.
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Post by jadison on Dec 24, 2011 1:51:35 GMT -5
The way I see it, the internet has gotten away with murder for a long time, and I've enjoyed my share. But it's hard to be angry about people not wanting you consuming their intellectual property at your leisure without paying for it, and in some cases even profiting off of it. I'm not saying Botchamania is a cash cow or anything, but just overall on the recent cracking down on copyright issues, I cannot fault them at all.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 25, 2011 8:06:19 GMT -5
The way I see it, the internet has gotten away with murder for a long time, and I've enjoyed my share. But it's hard to be angry about people not wanting you consuming their intellectual property at your leisure without paying for it, and in some cases even profiting off of it. I'm not saying Botchamania is a cash cow or anything, but just overall on the recent cracking down on copyright issues, I cannot fault them at all. Stuff like this will ruin the internet. This whole intellectual property thing is arbitrary and out of date and it won't change for years thanks to douchebag lobbyists from Disney. I know people personally who make indy movies and music and they say screw the intellectual property idea because the only way it can help you is if you have a lot of money to throw at idiot lawyers or if you have political connections. They manage to build a following using the DIY(do it yourself) system and social media and they make a decent living without having to answer to empty suit douchebags from a big record label. These big dinosaur industry companies like the MPAA and the IRAA will not win. They are either going to fail or adapt to the value for value DIY(do it yourself) system. There is no going back. Take vhs for instance. The MPAA thought vhs would ruin the movie industry and even tried to get the manufacturers blocked from producing vhs. They lost and it took them forever in technological years but eventually they adapted eight years later and sold tons of vhs tapes of Batman(1989) and many others since. Arguing for current copyright laws is a losing effort because there is too much corruption in how it is set up. The internet is the first thing in years that has come along to create a competitive even playing field. Too many "artists" have been making money based on artificial pricing and now they are crying like babies because it is all collapsing now due to the fact that the IRAA doesn't have a monopoly anymore.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Dec 25, 2011 8:47:05 GMT -5
He should start uploading stuff onto Dailymotion. There's tons of wrestling videos on there that never get taken down.
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Post by grunt on Dec 25, 2011 13:08:05 GMT -5
I'm sure Botchamania can continue without using WWE footage. Adapt and overcome. Honestly, i'm not too sure a Botchamania composed exclusively of TNA-bashing, CZW-mocking and obscure indy or japanese botches wouldn't get old really fast. If TNA decides not to follow WWE's example, that is... I think of one of the problems of BM may be that Maffew is really really fast sometimes, and sometimes produces a BM a couple of days after a given PPV. I'm wondering if that's not slightly counter-productive, in that a company like WWE may be more sensitive to its product being used, recycled, mocked & criticized on youtube while the show is still fresh & they're trying to sell replays, rather than six months (or even years) later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2011 15:39:13 GMT -5
I know people personally who make indy movies and music and they say screw the intellectual property idea because the only way it can help you is if you have a lot of money to throw at idiot lawyers or if you have political connections. They manage to build a following using the DIY(do it yourself) system and social media and they make a decent living without having to answer to empty suit douchebags from a big record label. I might be missing your point here, maybe you can clarify. You know people who make indy movies and music and they don't want to protect their rights to ownership of the material they created? Small time artists looking to make a living for themselves through the work they put into creating their music, films, etc. rely on being able to generate revenue from having ownership of their creations to pay the bills, no? If they can't sell their work to the people interested in it, then they don't make a living doing it.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 31, 2011 7:30:45 GMT -5
I know people personally who make indy movies and music and they say screw the intellectual property idea because the only way it can help you is if you have a lot of money to throw at idiot lawyers or if you have political connections. They manage to build a following using the DIY(do it yourself) system and social media and they make a decent living without having to answer to empty suit douchebags from a big record label. I might be missing your point here, maybe you can clarify. You know people who make indy movies and music and they don't want to protect their rights to ownership of the material they created? Small time artists looking to make a living for themselves through the work they put into creating their music, films, etc. rely on being able to generate revenue from having ownership of their creations to pay the bills, no? If they can't sell their work to the people interested in it, then they don't make a living doing it. WRONG. Most mainstream artists don't even make much money off the actual music. Most of them all now make money off merchandise, ticket sales, and donations.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 31, 2011 10:57:05 GMT -5
He should start uploading stuff onto Dailymotion. There's tons of wrestling videos on there that never get taken down. Yeah, but every 5 minutes there's an advertisement interrupting the video.
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