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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 20, 2011 23:57:36 GMT -5
So I guess when Easy E and Hogan posted about "Internet Nerds" and "Internet Marks" and how they were laughing at them that wasn't a direct assault against forums like this? No, cause I don't consider myself an "internet mark" or "internet nerd". Again, I feel like it's just trying to add themselves to this just to complain. It's like being offended over an immigration law when you're a US citizen. Cause of all the s*** they got that WWE didn't, like the actual midcard for one? And, really, I wish people would drop Daniels losing to Venis. Yeah, he lost. People lose, and they lose to people that probably aren't in the same league. It happens. Daniels is still around, doing damn well, too. Hell, no one still goes off on Cena losing to Kevin Federline, now do they?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 21, 2011 0:02:46 GMT -5
So I guess when Easy E and Hogan posted about "Internet Nerds" and "Internet Marks" and how they were laughing at them that wasn't a direct assault against forums like this? No, cause I don't consider myself an "internet mark" or "internet nerd". Again, I feel like it's just trying to add themselves to this just to complain. It's like being offended over an immigration law when you're a US citizen. Cause of all the s*** they got that WWE didn't, like the actual midcard for one? And, really, I wish people would drop Daniels losing to Venis. Yeah, he lost. People lose, and they lose to people that probably aren't in the same league. It happens. Daniels is still around, doing damn well, too. Hell, no one still goes off on Cena losing to Kevin Federline, now do they? Not gonna lie, I honestly completely forgot that Daniels lost to Venis and I haven't heard anyone else bring it up recently until this thread. Maybe I'm not looking the right places .
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2011 0:12:47 GMT -5
Cause of all the s*** they got that WWE didn't, like the actual midcard for one? It's a question of taste. If people are of the opinion that TNA's midcard booking is lousy, are they really going to watch it because it's better by default? Of course not. People watch what they like, and change the channel on things they don't like.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 21, 2011 0:17:16 GMT -5
Here's the thing though that still isn't answered if all the hatred is blind followers of TNA why at one time was TNA chanted at WWE events?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 21, 2011 0:18:51 GMT -5
Here's the thing though that still isn't answered if all the hatred is blind followers of TNA why at one time was TNA chanted at WWE events? It was started by blind haters of WWE obviously. ;D
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2011 0:19:24 GMT -5
Cause of all the s*** they got that WWE didn't, like the actual midcard for one? It's a question of taste. If people are of the opinion that TNA's midcard booking is lousy, are they really going to watch it because it's better by default? Of course not. People watch what they like, and change the channel on things they don't like. So, when it's good ,it's a question of taste. When it's horrible, it's fact. Am I getting it right?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 21, 2011 0:20:50 GMT -5
It's a question of taste. If people are of the opinion that TNA's midcard booking is lousy, are they really going to watch it because it's better by default? Of course not. People watch what they like, and change the channel on things they don't like. So, when it's good ,it's a question of taste. When it's horrible, it's fact. Am I getting it right? Who said that? I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything but you seem to be jumping to conclusions here. ANY opinion of the product is just that, an opinion. Nobody is trying to state otherwise.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2011 0:24:42 GMT -5
It's a question of taste. If people are of the opinion that TNA's midcard booking is lousy, are they really going to watch it because it's better by default? Of course not. People watch what they like, and change the channel on things they don't like. So, when it's good ,it's a question of taste. When it's horrible, it's fact. Am I getting it right? Of course not. It works both ways. Evidently your opinion is that it's good. Other people's opinions are that it's not. The only facts are in figures: the viewing numbers, PPV buys and merchandise sales.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2011 0:25:56 GMT -5
So, when it's good ,it's a question of taste. When it's horrible, it's fact. Am I getting it right? Who said that? I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything but you seem to be jumping to conclusions here. You can lookat the past couple of pages. You have people tossing out things like horrible booking and handling of talent and whatever comes out of Bischoff's mouth,none of that is given the opinion tag. Yet, when I point out the positives like with Roode and Storm and midcard, it's now "a question of taste". Both should be treated as opinion all the same, just ones seems more valid than the other.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2011 0:30:04 GMT -5
So, when it's good ,it's a question of taste. When it's horrible, it's fact. Am I getting it right? Of course not. It works both ways. Evidently your opinion is that it's good. Other people's opinions are that it's not. The only facts are in figures: the viewing numbers, PPV buys and merchandise sales. Not even that, cause people see the same thing and get two different. I see the ratings and see the trend of the ratings going up and increasing fandom slowly, especially with other shows going the opposite direction and conclude that things are improving on a business level. Others sees the ratings and see the lack of improvement and conclude it as a failure that needs an immediate rearranging of talent and staff.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 21, 2011 0:36:13 GMT -5
Who said that? I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything but you seem to be jumping to conclusions here. You can lookat the past couple of pages. You have people tossing out things like horrible booking and handling of talent and whatever comes out of Bischoff's mouth,none of that is given the opinion tag. Yet, when I point out the positives like with Roode and Storm and midcard, it's now "a question of taste". Both should be treated as opinion all the same, just ones seems more valid than the other. Do people always have to directly state that what they are saying is an opinion every time they say it? Because, in my opinion, that'd be a big waste of time and, in my opinion, it should be pretty obvious from what they are saying if it's an opinion or not. Just because it's different from your opinion doesn't mean they are treating it as fact. I'd think it'd be obvious that whenever someone gives their analysis of TNA's product that it's always an opinion, unless they're stating direct results or things of that nature.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 21, 2011 0:41:40 GMT -5
You can lookat the past couple of pages. You have people tossing out things like horrible booking and handling of talent and whatever comes out of Bischoff's mouth,none of that is given the opinion tag. Yet, when I point out the positives like with Roode and Storm and midcard, it's now "a question of taste". Both should be treated as opinion all the same, just ones seems more valid than the other. Do people always have to directly state that what they are saying is an opinion every time they say it? Because, in my opinion, that'd be a big waste of time and, in my opinion, it should be pretty obvious from what they are saying if it's an opinion or not. Just because it's different from your opinion doesn't mean they are treating it as fact. I'd think it'd be obvious that whenever someone gives their analysis of TNA's product that it's always an opinion, unless they're stating direct results or things of that nature. But there is a difference in treatment. Someone here says TNA sucks, the general response is nothing, no one asking why they think it or what they consider to suck, it just sucks and no one questions it. Someone says TNA is good, it needs some explanation as to why it is and what to expect the next week cause of the people writing it. Come on, don't tell me that there is no difference at all to both sides. I'm not asking everyone to act "in my opinion" to every single thing, but for christ's sake don't act like you treat every single post the same when you don't.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2011 0:50:17 GMT -5
Not even that, cause people see the same thing and get two different. I see the ratings and see the trend of the ratings going up and increasing fandom slowly, especially with other shows going the opposite direction and conclude that things are improving on a business level. Others sees the ratings and see the lack of improvement and conclude it as a failure that needs an immediate rearranging of talent and staff. Whether you choose to believe me or not, I see the same thing. Averaging between 1 and 1.3 throughout the year isn't anything to be ashamed of. I'm sure Dixie isn't losing sleep over it just yet. Yes, it can be argued that given how much investment has been made ther expectations should be higher, but again we're delving into opinions here. From a personal standpoint I can't retain interest in the on-screen product any more because I simply don't enjoy watching it. The talent is good, but there's very little that I find compelling. And yes, there is a good portion of the show I find flat out dreadful. That's why I don't watch very often. Am I in favour of a mass culling/rearranging of talent and staff? Hell no, ripping everything up and starting from scratch is a panic move, and accomplishes nothing. I am of the opinion, however, that certain areas do need focus if the company is to progress to the next level. Is that a fact? No, it's the opinion of a jaded fan who wants to be able to enjoy the show again and see the company succeed.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 21, 2011 1:00:20 GMT -5
More people here are dissatisfied with the product than are satisfied with it, or, alternatively, those that are dissatisfied are more vocal than those who are satisfied, and people generally don't question opinions when the statement is one they agree with. That's pretty much the same with any subject and any opinion you can have on any subject, those with opinions that differ from the majority of those around them have to defend it more often. Anyone who has an unpopular opinion has to deal with it.
That does not mean they automatically assume every opinion they have is fact, though, nor should it be assumed by one side or the other that they are "stating opinion as fact" just because they didn't put the obligatory "in my opinion" in the statement. People know they have opinions, just because they ask people with different opinions to explain or defend them doesn't mean they don't.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2011 1:03:14 GMT -5
Now you know this side of the message board got a rule about just randomly typing "TNA SUX LOL" for no rhyme and reason. When someone voice a complaint about TNA, more than likely it's backed up with a personal reason or else its a nice little warning about that rule.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 21, 2011 1:08:19 GMT -5
And why are people so fixated on getting another wrestling boom? If you haven't noticed, the whole world's economy is horrible. If people don't have the money for something, they won't spend it. Even the almighty UFC is feeling the repercussions. Because another boom period would help the economy. And help morals when people don't have much money. If you noticed, the last two boom periods occurred when the economy was strong.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 21, 2011 1:44:04 GMT -5
Do people always have to directly state that what they are saying is an opinion every time they say it? Because, in my opinion, that'd be a big waste of time and, in my opinion, it should be pretty obvious from what they are saying if it's an opinion or not. Just because it's different from your opinion doesn't mean they are treating it as fact. I'd think it'd be obvious that whenever someone gives their analysis of TNA's product that it's always an opinion, unless they're stating direct results or things of that nature. But there is a difference in treatment. Someone here says TNA sucks, the general response is nothing, no one asking why they think it or what they consider to suck, it just sucks and no one questions it. Someone says TNA is good, it needs some explanation as to why it is and what to expect the next week cause of the people writing it. Come on, don't tell me that there is no difference at all to both sides. I'm not asking everyone to act "in my opinion" to every single thing, but for christ's sake don't act like you treat every single post the same when you don't. BS there's always at least a few white knights here to defend ANY and all criticisms of TNA. TNA isn't getting near the treatment that IWA MS gets in the Wrest section. There is a company people want to see go under. Even in the WWE section when they do something stupid there are times it never gets defended. Granted many times almost anything could be defended and debate and discussion is good. However, the TNA section is an echo chamber of the same defenses no matter what angle is disliked or talent is pushed. In the WWE section the people fighting off the HHHate are rarely the same ones defending Cole or the booking of DBD prior to his cash in. Everybody has different opinions and there is room for each person who likes something. TNA has grown into such a one dimensional product that the same people who hate todays push will hate tomorrows champion and the defenders of each will be the same. I mean everytime people get there hopes up TNA swerves them into not caring. This forum got more and more active going into BFG. Most threads about the Championship series started negative and got more positive once Roode pulled ahead. Then swerve. To put 2 people at the top I guess of a card less people care about. I stop by here once a weak to see what people thought of the shows because I know how the spoilers don't tell the story as well as what the viewing experience is. Generally things have seamed positive but I just can't be tasked to watch. BFG burnt me out again. The Hardy megapush disgusts me. It's not just TNA hate though. I turned the channel anytime I saw Nash or HHH on my screen this last month. Occasionally I would comment on how shitty I thought the angle and subsequent match would be. Some people said they would say they liked the angle or looked forward to the match. They were usually in the minority but none of them had to go make up bs conspiracy theories as to why people weren't interested in what they were.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2011 7:36:10 GMT -5
And by the same measure none of criticisms of TNA are personal attacks on those who go out of their way to defend the show. Yet they seem to take it just as personally when it equally has nothing to do with them. As well as those that take personally things that has nothing to do with them over things other people that take things that have nothing to do with them over things that other other people that take things that have nothing to do now with them. Just saying it goes both ways. Surely you can see the irony in a post that goes something like "Oh calm down and stop overanalyzing. Now here's a long winded post about how this angle actually makes perfect sense!"
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Dec 21, 2011 7:39:51 GMT -5
Who said that? I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything but you seem to be jumping to conclusions here. You can lookat the past couple of pages. You have people tossing out things like horrible booking and handling of talent and whatever comes out of Bischoff's mouth,none of that is given the opinion tag. Yet, when I point out the positives like with Roode and Storm and midcard, it's now "a question of taste". Both should be treated as opinion all the same, just ones seems more valid than the other. Come one Mikey, you honestly can't tell me that TNA defenders don't often post their opinions as facts as well. Because if you do then no offense but you're a bloody liar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 10:32:13 GMT -5
God, can you imagine what would have happened to Ryder if Russo were scripting his destiny? He'd be Robbie E.
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