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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Sept 2, 2012 19:23:52 GMT -5
Most of my favorite episodes are Moffat episodes or Moffat-era episodes. I didn't care for The Beast Below but Silence In The Library is one of the all-time greats.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2012 19:29:38 GMT -5
It matters, because I still care about the show, and I want it to survive past Moffat. Okay, come on. The show is getting more popular internationally than it's ever been. Moffat is not killing the show, regardless of whether you like the way he writes or not. Overreaction. In Britain, though, it's passed the peak. It's just not the priority any more. As an example, in the RTD era, kids were flocking to the toy shops and supermarkets to get Doctor Who stuff. You had whole sections dedicated to that bright orange packaging, with every character from The Doctor all the way down to Grandma Connelly from The Idiot's Lantern. Now, you're lucky if you see one of those little psuedo-lego boxes in most shops. And trust me, I look every time. And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. EDIT: Oh, and now America gets media (a prequel to the new series) that isn't available legally to the rest of the world, funded by British license fee payers. Clear illustration of my point, I think.
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Post by Burst on Sept 2, 2012 19:33:38 GMT -5
In Britain, though, it's passed the peak. It's just not the priority any more. As an example, in the RTD era, kids were flocking to the toy shops and supermarkets to get Doctor Who stuff. You had whole sections dedicated to that bright orange packaging, with every character from The Doctor all the way down to Grandma Connelly from The Idiot's Lantern. Now, you're lucky if you see one of those little psuedo-lego boxes in most shops. And trust me, I look every time. And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. Also consider that the novelty of the new series is gone. It's getting to the point where it's increasingly harder to quantify it as "NEW" considering that it's been what, seven or so years now? Even seven years is a long run for a program. The popularity's going to ebb and flow. It's no different than wrestling, and in a way DW has it easier in terms of changing Doctors or showrunners to change the status quo vs. trying to wait for a breakout star.
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Post by Legion on Sept 2, 2012 19:36:28 GMT -5
Okay, come on. The show is getting more popular internationally than it's ever been. Moffat is not killing the show, regardless of whether you like the way he writes or not. Overreaction. In Britain, though, it's passed the peak. It's just not the priority any more. As an example, in the RTD era, kids were flocking to the toy shops and supermarkets to get Doctor Who stuff. You had whole sections dedicated to that bright orange packaging, with every character from The Doctor all the way down to Grandma Connelly from The Idiot's Lantern. Now, you're lucky if you see one of those little psuedo-lego boxes in most shops. And trust me, I look every time. And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. You have a point, but I dont think it's really him that's targeting America as much as the BBC. They claim the series costs to much and American revenue makes it more possible. So he has to have some slack cut in that instance. It is interesting though that while the show was peaking under RTD, a writer who wrote a rather adult Doctor dealing with adult situations and themes, the kids were lapping it up. Now, with a Doctor who has much more target at kids, and stories that reflect that (Dinosaurs! In a space ship!) the kids aren't as interested. One wonders if it's more to do with the way RTD wrote, in that he wrote adult themes but in a very simple and easy to follow way. Moff writes things with the end goal very much in mind, and clearly expects you to remember a lot more and pay attention, which is something kids might need to do, but inevitably do not. Either way, I find myself hoping for a changing of the guard next year after the 50th anniversary, as I dont feel Doctor Who works particularly well with any one person in charge for a long time.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 19:43:00 GMT -5
.... I like those pseudo lego toys.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 2, 2012 19:44:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I've got the All-11 Doctors boxset that they brought out, and it's lovely, but the point is, the regular action figures are now gone, with Forbidden Planet basically the only place to find them, and you'll be lucky to see a little Weeping Angels lego-thing boxset as the only thing in a regular shop.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 2, 2012 19:49:03 GMT -5
Okay, come on. The show is getting more popular internationally than it's ever been. Moffat is not killing the show, regardless of whether you like the way he writes or not. Overreaction. And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. EDIT: Oh, and now America gets media (a prequel to the new series) that isn't available legally to the rest of the world, funded by British license fee payers. Clear illustration of my point, I think. I don't understand, are the season's shorter than normal now? And are you blaming that on America? A standard season of television in the US is somewhere between 18 and 24 episodes. UK has always had shorter show runs for successful shows than we do, largely because UK programming is willing to end things before they get stale. If it was catering to the US in terms of season lengths, the seasons would be around twice as long as they are now.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 20:10:42 GMT -5
And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. EDIT: Oh, and now America gets media (a prequel to the new series) that isn't available legally to the rest of the world, funded by British license fee payers. Clear illustration of my point, I think. I don't understand, are the season's shorter than normal now? And are you blaming that on America? A standard season of television in the US is somewhere between 18 and 24 episodes. UK has always had shorter show runs for successful shows than we do, largely because UK programming is willing to end things before they get stale. If it was catering to the US in terms of season lengths, the seasons would be around twice as long as they are now. Yeah the seasons have been 13 episodes since it came back in 2005,I suppose they could stretch it out by going back to 4 25 minute episodes per story,but thats not how tv works anymore.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 20:14:39 GMT -5
Sorry FB, just sounds like you're grasping at straws because you don't like Moffat.
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Post by DSR on Sept 2, 2012 21:53:44 GMT -5
In Britain, though, it's passed the peak. It's just not the priority any more. As an example, in the RTD era, kids were flocking to the toy shops and supermarkets to get Doctor Who stuff. You had whole sections dedicated to that bright orange packaging, with every character from The Doctor all the way down to Grandma Connelly from The Idiot's Lantern. Now, you're lucky if you see one of those little psuedo-lego boxes in most shops. And trust me, I look every time. And frankly, that Moffat is targeting America more isn't a great consolation, as it means we're getting shorter series. You have a point, but I dont think it's really him that's targeting America as much as the BBC. They claim the series costs to much and American revenue makes it more possible. So he has to have some slack cut in that instance. It is interesting though that while the show was peaking under RTD, a writer who wrote a rather adult Doctor dealing with adult situations and themes, the kids were lapping it up. Now, with a Doctor who has much more target at kids, and stories that reflect that (Dinosaurs! In a space ship!) the kids aren't as interested. One wonders if it's more to do with the way RTD wrote, in that he wrote adult themes but in a very simple and easy to follow way. Moff writes things with the end goal very much in mind, and clearly expects you to remember a lot more and pay attention, which is something kids might need to do, but inevitably do not. Either way, I find myself hoping for a changing of the guard next year after the 50th anniversary, as I dont feel Doctor Who works particularly well with any one person in charge for a long time. This review discusses the point you're making: www.shadowlocked.com/201110242215/reviews/doctor-who-complete-reviews-the-eleventh-hour.htmlBasically, Davies run had elements that carried over to the season finale, but the stories could stand alone. Moffatt's going for a genuine season-long arc, where it's harder to enjoy an individual story on it's own merits. The reviewer also feels that this devotion to the storyarc takes precedent over the "Wow Factor" that seemed more prevalent with RTD.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 2, 2012 21:56:52 GMT -5
I hated RTD's tie ins he'd shoehorn into episodes to tease the end of the season. I'll take Moffat's style any day of the week beyond RTD cramming in as much shit as he can because it sells more toys.
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Post by Knailsic From Now On on Sept 2, 2012 21:57:08 GMT -5
I hope we get all three new series doctors for the 50th anniversary, I'm not sure how likely that is but I think it'd be really awesome.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 2, 2012 21:57:33 GMT -5
Which one of them was responsible for the Bad Wolf saga? Because that was a seriously lackluster payoff to all the hints.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 2, 2012 21:58:27 GMT -5
Which one of them was responsible for the Bad Wolf saga? Because that was a seriously lackluster payoff to all the hints. RTD was running it up until Matt Smith took the role.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 22:05:39 GMT -5
The Doctors Wife won the Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form).
@neilhimself Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!! #doctorwho #hugos #yes!!!!!
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Post by Starshine on Sept 2, 2012 22:07:12 GMT -5
The Doctors Wife won the Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form). @neilhimself Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!! #doctorwho #hugos #yes!!!!! I'm glad to hear that. It's deserving of any reward.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 2, 2012 22:07:18 GMT -5
I hope we get all three new series doctors for the 50th anniversary, I'm not sure how likely that is but I think it'd be really awesome. Based on Eccelston having his issues, plus working on Thor now, I don't know about that.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 2, 2012 22:08:53 GMT -5
I hope we get all three new series doctors for the 50th anniversary, I'm not sure how likely that is but I think it'd be really awesome. Based on Eccelston having his issues, plus working on Thor now, I don't know about that. What is Eccleston's deal anyway? Would it really kill him to do one more episode? Has he spoken on this?
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Post by DSR on Sept 2, 2012 22:09:53 GMT -5
The Doctors Wife won the Hugo for Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form). @neilhimself Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrghhhhh!!!!!!!!! #doctorwho #hugos #yes!!!!! Sweet! That was a great episode. Hopefully Gaiman writes more for the show.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 2, 2012 22:11:02 GMT -5
Based on Eccelston having his issues, plus working on Thor now, I don't know about that. What is Eccleston's deal anyway? Would it really kill him to do one more episode? Has he spoken on this? he "didn't enjoy the environment and the culture that the cast and crew had to work in" www.bbc.co.uk/news/10312426Hopefully Gaiman writes more for the show. Hope it does not take as long to write another one,I think he started on The Doctors wife before season 5 even started,that's why they still had the 10th doctors console room,he asked that they keep it around.
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