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Post by Viking Snad on Sept 5, 2012 18:00:29 GMT -5
Snad, you do realize that pretty much everyone in the wrestling/entertainment industry has done at least one horrible thing in their lives, right? Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old girl, Varg Vikernes brutally murdered a former band mate, Low Ki purposely knocks people out, Chris Hero tried to steal his student's girlfriend, Jim Neidhart was a well-known thief, and Charles Bukowski was an unpleasant drunk who treated women like garbage. None of this defends Davey's actions, but if you truly want to stand by your convictions, you might as well throw any form of entertainment you have in the trash right now. I don't see how Davey stealing money and me not liking him compares to some black metal guy I have never heard of or a writer I have also never heard of, as if one bad apple is going to ruin pro wrestling as a whole for me? Uhm. I do realize this post may be pointless as Not Davey has taken off or something, but still, after claiming articulate argument, the way the paragraph was posed to me seems oddly ridiculous. Fact remains: Davey stole money, I don't want to support him. Hero can bang any chick he wants, Ki can kick whoever he wants, you can't really be put in jail for those things. Don't care for Lawler, don't care for Anvil. I'll still watch WWE, and I'll still watch ROH (if Davey works there ever). Just don't like Davey anymore. Pretty simple.
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Post by froggyfrog on Sept 5, 2012 18:51:23 GMT -5
just when i think Davey Richards couldn't possibly be any dumber, he goes and does something like this...and totally redeems himself! wow anyone who refs dumb and dumber out of the blue is ok in my book
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 5, 2012 21:10:06 GMT -5
I've seen Davey Richards, and I've seen Dean Malenko, and Davey Richards is no Dean Malenko.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 5, 2012 21:11:29 GMT -5
I've seen Davey Richards, and I've seen Dean Malenko, and Davey Richards is no Dean Malenko. Gospel.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 5, 2012 21:43:01 GMT -5
Dean Malenko knew it was his job to make the other guy look good, almost to a fault.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 5, 2012 21:46:41 GMT -5
I know that's what he said, but I also feel like he definately goes out of his way to help the guys he's facing look like gold. I have trouble thinking of a match he's recently had where he dogged the other guy to any degree.
IMO his biggest problem is that he gives them a little too much sometimes thus the many big move kickouts you see in his main event matches.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 6, 2012 6:20:37 GMT -5
When you go into an evaluation at work, never will you hear your boss say "Well, you're lazy and unmotivated, but you're not Jack the Ripper, so I can't complain." If you take a physics test, they're not grading you based on what Stephen Hawking knows, they're grading you based on what you know.
It's not a valid argument to compare what he did to other people. He's not Roman Polanski or Chris Benoit, he's Davey Richards. He should be judged solely as who he is, not who a bunch of other people are. Dropping names isn't going to make what Davey did a less dickish thing, nor is it going to make him more charismatic or more interesting. People don't have to constantly qualify disliking someone by mentioning every single other person who might have a similar flaw and justifying whether or not they like them.
As for not judging wrestlers without following their entire careers, when you put yourself out there and ask people to pay to see you, you're open for criticism in my mind, whether someone knows your entire career history or not.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 6, 2012 7:49:38 GMT -5
I think Davey is a unique case, he has become the John Cena of the indies. He has shown great talent and charisma both in ROH and out but once he got some little bit of success, the powers that be in ROH took the parts that people weren't fond of and made them the focus. I don't think that's a fair comparison. One guy's a painfully white meat babyface with a nagging tendency to no-sell everything and is shoved down the throats of fans by his company while edgier and more interesting characters are put on the backburner, and the other one is John Cena.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 6, 2012 10:15:14 GMT -5
Davey stole from a promoter, made fun of the guy and only paid him back when fans called him out on his bullshit. He doesn't deserve defense or to work in this business. Go away Davey, you've overstayed your welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 11:42:55 GMT -5
I think Davey is a unique case, he has become the John Cena of the indies. He has shown great talent and charisma both in ROH and out but once he got some little bit of success, the powers that be in ROH took the parts that people weren't fond of and made them the focus. I don't think that's a fair comparison. One guy's a painfully white meat babyface with a nagging tendency to no-sell everything and is shoved down the throats of fans by his company while edgier and more interesting characters are put on the backburner, and the other one is John Cena. *insert all the clapping gifs*
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Post by Scott Parker on Sept 6, 2012 16:34:50 GMT -5
I gave Davey some wrist tape once.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 6, 2012 20:05:29 GMT -5
I think Davey is a unique case, he has become the John Cena of the indies. He has shown great talent and charisma both in ROH and out but once he got some little bit of success, the powers that be in ROH took the parts that people weren't fond of and made them the focus. I don't think that's a fair comparison. One guy's a painfully white meat babyface with a nagging tendency to no-sell everything and is shoved down the throats of fans by his company while edgier and more interesting characters are put on the backburner, and the other one is John Cena. I see what you did there.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 6, 2012 23:33:17 GMT -5
I am using my first post to make one thing perfectly clear. No mistake should be made in regards to this. Davey Richards is no Samoa Joe. Davey Richards is damn sure no Dean Malenko. Davey Richards is sure as s*** no Chris Benoit. Davey Richards is abso-f'n-lutely, by any stretch of the imagination no Bret Hart. Welcome but please read the Rules and do not type around the filters in the future. ~ Ric
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 6, 2012 23:38:59 GMT -5
I am using my first post to make one thing perfectly clear. No mistake should be made in regards to this. Davey Richards is no Samoa Joe. Davey Richards is damn sure no Dean Malenko. Davey Richards is sure as s*** no Chris Benoit. Davey Richards is abso-f'n-lutely, by any stretch of the imagination no Bret Hart. What's up, new friend?
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Post by saintpat on Sept 7, 2012 13:02:30 GMT -5
I feel Richards has been unfairly maligned as the go-to whipping boy for detractors of Independent wrestling. I meant to address this, as it seems the basis for this thread. Perhaps I've missed it, but I've not seen criticisms of Richards that carry over into "and this just shows how bady indy wrestling is" or "and that's why I don't like indy wrestling." In fact, almost all of Davey's distractors (at least on this board) seem to be people who appreciate indy wrestling. After all, if you don't like the indies you probably have very little knowledge of him -- at least until ROH got the Sinclair TV deal. The idea that you can't like one indy guy without hating on all of indy wrestling is ridiculous. If I find Davey boring, lacking in charisma and, lately a scumbag thief, that doesn't mean I don't like indy wrestling. It means I don't like Richards.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 7, 2012 13:06:18 GMT -5
I really love it when defending someones actions boil down to "well, uh...this other unrelated guy did THIS that one time, what do you have to say to that?!"
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Sept 7, 2012 15:07:27 GMT -5
I know I'm late to the party but I'll try to sum up, IMO, Davey is nothing to get excited about (and this has nothing to do with the Iowa caper, this is based entirely on his in ring work)
As with everything, it's not what you do but how you do it. Tajiri does a lot of kicks, Davey does a lot of kicks. I like one, am bored with the other. Why? When Tajiri kicks a guy he makes it look like it matters with every single one. Davey kicks for the sake of kicking, or because his kick pads make a really loud noise, take your pick.
And to bring up the Samoa Joe comparison, let me put it to you like this. Davey Richards is trying too hard. Joe doesn't HAVE to try, he just does. I know that sounds a little vague but it's the easiest way I can put it.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 7, 2012 15:11:27 GMT -5
I am using my first post to make one thing perfectly clear. No mistake should be made in regards to this. Davey Richards is no Samoa Joe. Davey Richards is damn sure no Dean Malenko. Davey Richards is sure as s*** no Chris Benoit. Davey Richards is abso-f'n-lutely, by any stretch of the imagination no Bret Hart. Welcome to the boards!
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Post by Massive G on Sept 7, 2012 15:25:56 GMT -5
I am using my first post to make one thing perfectly clear. No mistake should be made in regards to this. Davey Richards is no Samoa Joe. Davey Richards is damn sure no Dean Malenko. Davey Richards is sure as s*** no Chris Benoit. Davey Richards is abso-f'n-lutely, by any stretch of the imagination no Bret Hart. you forgot Dynamite Kid, but aside from that, good first post, guy who I assume can read my thoughts!
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Post by lockedontarget on Sept 7, 2012 20:19:20 GMT -5
Richards has a ton of legitimately great matches in his body of work. If he was as bad as some of you are making him out to be then he wouldn't have that. He's a good worker.
But he's stale and has proven multiple times that he is a total asshat with a carny mentality, so I would shed no tears if places stopped booking him.
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