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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 14, 2012 19:28:31 GMT -5
I agree with Evil M about SnS
the thing is SnS voted for Mr. B and offered no explanation as to why and he confirmed he wasn't the roleblocker so I don't see no reason why he would vote Mr. B
Unless SnS is the cop and he investigated Mr. B and got a guilty result which if he was the cop I don't think he just throw that vote out there so bluntly without any kind of explanation. I tried to look into Mr. B's post this day phase and really don't got much to go on as to why he voted Mr. B
I'm not going to vote SnS right now I'll just
FOS: SnS
He said he was going to be gone for the weekend so hopefully he gets a chance to get on and post something before the dead line which is tomorrow.
If he doesn't I might have to vote for him and I hate to do that without him explaining things.
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Post by MasonK565 on Sept 14, 2012 19:31:10 GMT -5
As good as the first night was for the town, we gave them too much information. Anyone with a power role needs to be more careful from here on out. Too much knowledge is a dangerous thing. And most of that was my fault, with too much information. I will go back to my main ideal of write ups for now on. I just got carried away on this one! Anyways..... Vote Count:Inspector B Natural (1): SNS Not Voting:1. Daime 2. Kami 3. Evil Fluffy Bunny sMurf 4. Inspector B Natural 5. Evil Cageking 6. Friday Night Double H 7. J 8. Latino Meat is Insane 9. Alex "Illusion Master" Joker 10. Notorious The deadline Day 2 is Saturday Night at 11:00 p.m. CENTRAL time. You have 11 people so there needs to be 6 votes for a lynch.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 14, 2012 19:57:06 GMT -5
The consensus is that Cageking, Joker, and myself are definitely town. I wouldn't say that yet. If Cageking is telling the truth, then you and he are both Town. Your alignment really relies on each other's status at this point. And when did we decide Joker was Town? He hasn't done anything yet to show me he falls one way or the other. On the same accord, what has SnS done to make you suspicious? You seem to chalk it up to him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal, but off the top of my head, I don't remember him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal. Unless I'm forgetting something, of course. I only remember Cageking, Kami/Brad, and B Natural trying to get that information. Dude, Cageking, Kami, and B Natural wanting a role reveal for townie power roles? Right there, that is scummy. I didn't realize that so few people wanted that. If Cageking was telling the truth, then him and M are town in my eyes. That leaves Kami and B Natural. They both seem town to me thus far, and I want to know WHY SNS voted B Natural since he's usually pretty in depth in game. Kami and B Natural -- why did you want a power role reveal? How would that help town?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 20:06:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that yet. If Cageking is telling the truth, then you and he are both Town. Your alignment really relies on each other's status at this point. And when did we decide Joker was Town? He hasn't done anything yet to show me he falls one way or the other. On the same accord, what has SnS done to make you suspicious? You seem to chalk it up to him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal, but off the top of my head, I don't remember him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal. Unless I'm forgetting something, of course. I only remember Cageking, Kami/Brad, and B Natural trying to get that information. Dude, Cageking, Kami, and B Natural wanting a role reveal for townie power roles? Right there, that is scummy. I didn't realize that so few people wanted that. If Cageking was telling the truth, then him and M are town in my eyes. That leaves Kami and B Natural. They both seem town to me thus far, and I want to know WHY SNS voted B Natural since he's usually pretty in depth in game. Kami and B Natural -- why did you want a power role reveal? How would that help town? The way I saw it with SNS, is that he voted for B Natural because within in the same post, B Natural said it was dangerous for the Roleblocker to reveal, but they should reveal anyway because they might not get killed. The post seemed like B Natural was contradicting himself and/or wanting it both ways. But that's just why I assumed SNS voted for B Nats. His reasoning could be something totally different. I think people were asking for the Roleblocker to reveal because either A.) They're Mafia., B.) They don't understand how dangerous it would be for us to give up another power role willingly. or C.) They're willing to risk one of our players really early in the game.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 14, 2012 20:10:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that yet. If Cageking is telling the truth, then you and he are both Town. Your alignment really relies on each other's status at this point. And when did we decide Joker was Town? He hasn't done anything yet to show me he falls one way or the other. On the same accord, what has SnS done to make you suspicious? You seem to chalk it up to him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal, but off the top of my head, I don't remember him trying to get the Roleblocker to reveal. Unless I'm forgetting something, of course. I only remember Cageking, Kami/Brad, and B Natural trying to get that information. Dude, Cageking, Kami, and B Natural wanting a role reveal for townie power roles? Right there, that is scummy. I didn't realize that so few people wanted that. If Cageking was telling the truth, then him and M are town in my eyes. That leaves Kami and B Natural. They both seem town to me thus far, and I want to know WHY SNS voted B Natural since he's usually pretty in depth in game. Kami and B Natural -- why did you want a power role reveal? How would that help town? Its easy we know the roleblocker roleblocked the Mafia Roleblocker (say that five times fast ) so if the roleblocker revealed who he roleblocked then we would know who the mafia roleblocker was doesn't that make sense? Roleblocker revealing who he roleblocked we lynch the bastard he roleblocked we take one mafia member down we may expose another power role in the process I did say all this before Cageking revealed he was the doctor I was hoping the roleblocker would reveal his roleblock and the doctor would protect the roleblocker during the night phase so the mafia wouldn't be able to kill him. But since Cageking revealed his role that throws the whole plan out of whack because now even if the Roleblocker revealed what he knows Cageking would probably protect him but the mafia would kill Cageking and then kill the roleblocker the next night. You know sometimes its best to sacrifice oneself for the good of the team. In this case sacrifice the roleblocker to lynch the Mafia Roleblocker which is a very powerful role in the mafia that could stop the cops investigation or any other town roles in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 20:11:29 GMT -5
Notorius, I never said SnS was suspicious for trying to get the roleblocker to reveal. That was essentially SnS's argument for his vote on Natural, based on rereading Natural's post. I said I believe SnS's own statement that he's not the town roleblocker. I'm saying nothing more on the subject.
Meat, I understand what Kami, Natural, and Cage were going for. Find out who the roleblocker used their ability on, then lynch that person. Which would be awesome, but then we're basically sacrificing a power role to the mafia. And we have no idea if it's just the three members we know about or if there's another member. Nor do we know how their kill system works. In TV mafia, we only had a kill every other night. But what we don't know is if the godfather has an extra kill or something like that. So I agree with you and Notorious that the roleblocker coming forward would do more harm than good.
As far as Joker goes, unless he's bullshitting us, he was protected from the roleblocker. Although how he know's for sure that was him does arouse my curiosity somewhat.
(self-edit as I'm typing this: Yeah, thinking it over, I've changed my stance on Joker)
Either Joker revealed that he's a power role or he's lying through his teeth. I want to trust him, but I honestly don't know now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 20:19:16 GMT -5
Notorius, I never said SnS was suspicious for trying to get the roleblocker to reveal. That was essentially SnS's argument for his vote on Natural, based on rereading Natural's post. I said I believe SnS's own statement that he's not the town roleblocker. I'm saying nothing more on the subject. Ah. After you mentioned SNS, you talked about the Roleblocker thing instead of saying why you were suspicious of him. That lead me to believe it was over the Roleblocker issue. Miscommunication. As far as Joker goes, unless he's bulls***ting us, he was protected from the roleblocker. Although how he know's for sure that was him does arouse my curiosity somewhat. (self-edit as I'm typing this: Yeah, thinking it over, I've changed my stance on Joker) Either Joker revealed that he's a power role or he's lying through his teeth. I want to trust him, but I honestly don't know now. I must have missed him saying he had a Power Role. So many people claiming to have them is really starting to spark my suspicions. People seem to be hinting or claiming left and right between this game and the True Blood game, and it's really starting to seem like a cheap ploy to buy time to me. How he'd know that he'd protected the roleblocker though... that I don't understand either. I'd like to see his explanation on that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 20:37:31 GMT -5
Well, I did some re-reading again and see that I may have jumped the gun on Joker. What I said was that the only way he would know he was protected by the roleblocker is if he had a night action that would otherwise not have gone through.
But looking back at Joker's two posts that comment on that, he was basing his assumption on the fact that the would-be victim is female and so is his character, apparently. So he may not have a power role after all.
So ignore what I said in that regard.
My point on SnS stands, though.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 14, 2012 21:42:05 GMT -5
I think I could have reworded my previous post better and I do apologize for not being clearer. Ideally I do realize that by revealing the Roleblocker that puts a huge target on their back. At the same time though there's no guarantee the roleblocker will be around following the next phase. And we can't very well protect that person if we don't know who it is.
I'm just trying to look at all of the possibilities. Ideally I'd love for the Roleblocker to live and the scum who they targeted to take that walk to the gallows. But the chances of that are slim at best.
I did find it odd that SnS was so quick to jump on me. I'm not going to paint him as Mafia yet since he does make a valid point, but I can't help but wonder why he jumped one me so quickly?
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Post by daime on Sept 14, 2012 21:43:31 GMT -5
An interesting note that no one is talking about is that the Mafia Knows Batman is Bruce Wayne.
That might not narrow the search down too much, but it is something to think about.
I figured out who Joker is, thanks to a hint he dropped early on. He's pretty much safe.
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Post by daime on Sept 15, 2012 0:05:29 GMT -5
This... is interesting.
From the Black Mask wikipedia. Now we have an idea who's behind the murders.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 15, 2012 0:54:44 GMT -5
Didn't we JUST get over the subject of judging because of the character?You know,the very thing you said for us not to do?
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Post by daime on Sept 15, 2012 1:05:53 GMT -5
I'm well aware of that and I believe I touched a nerve Double H.
FOS: Double H
We had No Idea if Black Mask was really in the game or not. I was just throwing ideas against the wall (you guys) to see what you thought of my findings. Then you react like that. I'm thinking we have an idea who you are now. Not that proves you're scum, just for you to over react over a simple idea? Smells suspicious to me.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 15, 2012 1:15:28 GMT -5
I got to agree with Daime on that he found some info that may lead to who is responsible for the night kill but we don't know who has those characters but Double H you don't seem to like that new batch of information maybe like your hiding something maybe Daime might of revealed your character there.
FOS: Double H
I'm not voting for you now but that could change you just need to speak up and defend yourself my friend.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 15, 2012 1:16:28 GMT -5
EBWOP: It should be that character not those characters since he only found info on one character that could be linked to the murders.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 15, 2012 14:36:46 GMT -5
Man we are really not making much progress today and this day phase will be over soon.
We got lucky during Night 1 who knows if we will get that sort of a break again
I've lobbied my suspicions on SnS & Double H and I choose to
Vote: SnS
Sorry dude but throwing a vote on someone without explaining things before you leave when you know the day phase will end soon just seems suspicious to me.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Sept 15, 2012 15:05:19 GMT -5
Dude, Cageking, Kami, and B Natural wanting a role reveal for townie power roles? Right there, that is scummy. I didn't realize that so few people wanted that. If Cageking was telling the truth, then him and M are town in my eyes. That leaves Kami and B Natural. They both seem town to me thus far, and I want to know WHY SNS voted B Natural since he's usually pretty in depth in game. Kami and B Natural -- why did you want a power role reveal? How would that help town? Its easy we know the roleblocker roleblocked the Mafia Roleblocker (say that five times fast ) so if the roleblocker revealed who he roleblocked then we would know who the mafia roleblocker was doesn't that make sense? Roleblocker revealing who he roleblocked we lynch the bastard he roleblocked we take one mafia member down we may expose another power role in the process I did say all this before Cageking revealed he was the doctor I was hoping the roleblocker would reveal his roleblock and the doctor would protect the roleblocker during the night phase so the mafia wouldn't be able to kill him. But since Cageking revealed his role that throws the whole plan out of whack because now even if the Roleblocker revealed what he knows Cageking would probably protect him but the mafia would kill Cageking and then kill the roleblocker the next night. You know sometimes its best to sacrifice oneself for the good of the team. In this case sacrifice the roleblocker to lynch the Mafia Roleblocker which is a very powerful role in the mafia that could stop the cops investigation or any other town roles in the game. In chess, would you sacrifice your queen to take out their rook? Mafia knows who each other are -- the town doesn't have that advantage. Our power roles along with our vote are our biggest assets. I still suspect you and B, but with us losing time quickly, I'll have to vote... Vote: BradNothing personal, but that's the best lead I have at the moment. We know Cageking and M are town for sure... Notorious is giving me the town vibe, and I cannot vote for SNS without hearing his defense.
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Post by MasonK565 on Sept 15, 2012 15:08:38 GMT -5
Vote Count: Inspector B Natural (1): SNS SNS (1): Kami Kami (1): Latino Meat is Insane
Not Voting: 1. Daime 3. Evil Fluffy Bunny sMurf 4. Inspector B Natural 5. Evil Cageking 6. Friday Night Double H 7. J 9. Alex "Illusion Master" Joker 10. Notorious
The deadline Day 2 is Saturday Night at 11:00 p.m. CENTRAL time. You have 11 people so there needs to be 6 votes for a lynch.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Sept 15, 2012 15:11:57 GMT -5
I don't consider a Mafia Roleblocker a rook if we can take down a powerful mafia role like that I don't mind sacrificing another role
We have probably 3 mafia and taking one of them down would be worth it even if we had to sacrifice someone.
If I was the roleblocker I would come forth and reveal who I roleblocked because to me taking down the mafia would be worth the sacrifice for me, this isn't a large game there isn't as many mafia around in these games and any chance we can use to take down a mafia member we should go for, that's my philosophy.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 15, 2012 15:17:01 GMT -5
Relying on Power Roles to win the game though is an absurd strategy. Even if you've lost all of them on one side that doesn't mean the game is over. When it comes right down to it the Power Roles are a crutch. Sure, they have their uses, but you can't rely entirely on your Roleblockers and Doctors to win the game for you.
Ideally we would want to keep all of them around for the rest of the game, but that's simply not realistic. I don't think there's been a game yet where the town hasn't lost at least one Power Role when all is said and done. Add in the fact we otherwise have no idea who the Mafia could be and this is really our only clear shot at getting an early lead.
These small games usually don't have too many Mafia members--- in this case I'd say we have somewhere between three and four--- and if we took out even one of them that gives us a great chance at taking down one of their own power roles. Even if the one we hit is just a goon then that still narrows down the field for us.
Basically it's trading one townie for a scum. And to me that is a perfectly valid strategy since we would still have the numbers advantage. But in the end it is up to the Roleblocker if they want to go through with that. I will respect their choice whether they reveal that role or not. We can still win the game, I think, even if they decide to stay hidden.
I don't blame you for suspecting me, Latino, since it's still early. Honestly there isn't really anyone whose been cleared of suspicion as of yet.
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