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Post by hitch on Sept 11, 2012 6:34:52 GMT -5
Best wishes to Jerry and his family and friends. I really hope he's still able to do what he loves when he pulls through this. Just wanted to add a note about this board after reading through this thread; As a long time reader, and a short(ish) time poster, I am genuinely happy to see this type of reaction. As fans, we often get lost and caught up in the show, and we're all guilty at one time or another of forgetting that all involved in this business are human beings. So to see all of you roll back on the negative comments about King is really great to see. Agreed. I dont care for Lawler as a commentator at all, but there is a giant gap between a character doing 3 hours of commentary on TV a week, and a father and friend of many having a heart attack and a life threatening circumstance. 3 hours of live television a week isn't easy and highly pressurised. We think of it as 'Just sitting in a chair and talking' but with McMahon's tendency to over produce and scream in your ear every second for the 3 hours every week, it can take its toll.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Sept 11, 2012 6:44:44 GMT -5
I said this already in the pony thread, but I'll repeat it here (and maybe expand on it too) where more people will see it. I hope I don't come off as condescending and/or sappy. I think this thing with Jerry Lawler tonight should really put things into perspective for some people. It's great to talk about and debate the things we love, be it wrestling or whatever else it is you like. But sometimes, I think that, in that passion, we lose sight of the fact that these aren't life and death matters. In the grand scheme of things, the way a guy gets booked or the quality of a man's commentary is comparatively meaningless. After all it is just a TV show put out by people who, contrary to popular belief, want it to be good just as much as we do. I'm not saying don't give criticism when criticism is due... Just that there are important things in a life that could get taken away in the blink of an eye. I hope that those of you with families, be they one you were born into or one you've helped start yourself, tell them tonight that you love them. And since you guys and girls are part of of my internet family, well... I love you guys too. You are a good person.
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 11, 2012 6:45:29 GMT -5
I'll tell a small story about when I found out about Fabrice Muamba - I was front row during SHIMMER when my sister sent me a text. At the time, the massive likelihood was that he was going to die. That ended up knocking me back for quite a lot of the show, and as I didn't have internet access on my phone, I was convinced that he had died. Once I got to my hotel room, I was surprised to discover that he was hanging in there, and as it turned out, he is still making a recovery, although he has had to retire from football.
The bizarre thing was, Tottenham Hotspur's doctors said that he was clinically dead for over an hour. If Lawler was supposedly clinically dead for 20 minutes, and Muamba appears to be living an OK basic life now, then hopefully Lawler will recover, but his advanced age may cause other problems. Wishing the best for Jerry.
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 11, 2012 6:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by amaron on Sept 11, 2012 7:06:01 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler technically died last night. I don't care how bad his commentary is, he needs to come back.
EDIT: as other people have said, the 20 minute number is almost impossible.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 11, 2012 7:18:59 GMT -5
Just...Damn. I didn't watch Raw last night and have only just logged onto this board. What a shocking thing to see. Here's hoping for the best.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Sept 11, 2012 7:22:10 GMT -5
Just...Damn. I didn't watch Raw last night and have only just logged onto this board. What a shocking thing to see. Here's hoping for the best. Same here. Totally shocked, get well soon Jerry!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Sept 11, 2012 7:22:35 GMT -5
Wait, you can be dead for TWENTY minutes and still be revived?
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Post by notasmark on Sept 11, 2012 7:28:58 GMT -5
I am a Lawler fan and was very worried when everyone on Facebook was saying he was dead. Some people reported Lawler was indeed dead for website hits or youtube hits and that's disgusting to me.
As for Jerry, 20 minutes of being clinically deceased could effect his brain. Hopefully he can recover and retire to something less stressful and return occasionally like JR. I understand Jerry runs an indy promotion down in Memphis maybe thats best for him these days and sparingly making WWE appearances.
I hope he is indeed okay. Kudos to Michael Cole for showing proper respect to Jerry and kudos to WWE Medical Staff for saving his life. If this had happened in a hotel or in a car we would of lost yet another wrestling legend.
Hopefully this is a wake up call to a lot of older guys who are still wrestling as well. 60+ is way too old to be doing something so physical.
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Post by JTG on Sept 11, 2012 7:29:57 GMT -5
I deeply hope that he hasn't brain damage in any fashion.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 11, 2012 7:31:18 GMT -5
Wait, you can be dead for TWENTY minutes and still be revived? I have never heard of someone being out for that long. In the past I have heard people be dead for two or three minutes, but never twenty. That is a close call if ever there was one, hopefully he keeps on getting better and better
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Post by Shy Guy on Sept 11, 2012 7:32:54 GMT -5
i think being dead for 20 minutes will cause some brain damage. if he was without oxygen that time, his brain is not in good shape. michael clark duncan was only without oxygen for five minutes when he had his heart attack and....yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 7:33:16 GMT -5
What a horrible situation. I hope he makes a full recovery. To those of us of a certain age we've probably seen/heard more of Jerry Lawler than any other wrestler/announcer/performer in the past 20 years. Raw just wouldn't be the same without him. Get well soon, Jerry.
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Post by lionheart21 on Sept 11, 2012 7:33:41 GMT -5
Wait, you can be dead for TWENTY minutes and still be revived? I was in surgery back when I was younger and was considered to be clinically dead for 10 minutes. Thankfully, it didn't have any lasting mental effects on me.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 11, 2012 7:46:11 GMT -5
Wait, you can be dead for TWENTY minutes and still be revived? Maybe they were doing CPR on him for 20 minutes, but I have a hard time believing that he was actually clinically dead (no oxygen and no blood flow) for 20 minutes and was revived.
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Post by héad.casé on Sept 11, 2012 7:57:44 GMT -5
Oh man, I was watching live last night and didn't even know Lawler had disappeared from commentary until I was reading my tweets during the show. I read tweets from Shane Helms saying he'd collapsed, so I thought it was exhaustion and nothing of it. Then, I noticed Cole had stopped talking and got worried. I saw his first update telling us Jerry was having CPR done and I was scared to death. The most ironic part being that during the match, I tweeted that unlike most older guys, Lawler can still go and still bumps around. Don't think he will be anymore.
Like others here, kudos to Cole for his professionalism when he looked close to losing it, and kudos to the other guys who still went out there to perform knowing what was going on. I don't think I could have. I hope Jerry has a speedy recovery.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 11, 2012 8:21:50 GMT -5
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I don't want Jerry to come back and just fill his spot again.
Not because of the opinions I have on his work but because, honestly, I don't think it's worth it going back and risking yourself just because it is there and you have done it for as long as you have.
And considering WWE's stance on health, I would much rather they find another role for him like backstage, in developmental or in NXT where there is less demand and less travelling to do. Just something where he doesn't rekindle the risk that lead to this.
My thoughts are with him and he has a right to do whatever he wants to do, I just would rather him not just go back to work just because. It seems like he's lucky to even be lying in a bed right now.
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Post by amaron on Sept 11, 2012 8:28:24 GMT -5
Honestly, the more I think about this, the more I don't want Jerry to come back and just fill his spot again. Not because of the opinions I have on his work but because, honestly, I don't think it's worth it going back and risking yourself just because it is there and you have done it for as long as you have. And considering WWE's stance on health, I would much rather they find another role for him like backstage, in developmental or in NXT where there is less demand and less travelling to do. Just something where he doesn't rekindle the risk that lead to this. My thoughts are with him and he has a right to do whatever he wants to do, I just would rather him not just go back to work just because. It seems like he's lucky to even be lying in a bed right now. This is why I think everyone employed (on camera) should be part of the wellness exam, or at least the physical exam part.
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 11, 2012 8:30:04 GMT -5
Wait, you can be dead for TWENTY minutes and still be revived? Maybe they were doing CPR on him for 20 minutes, but I have a hard time believing that he was actually clinically dead (no oxygen and no blood flow) for 20 minutes and was revived. Read the posts mentioning Muamba especially Steveweiser's, you can be clinically dead much longer than that and survive. In both cases immediate medical attention and CPR gave them a much better chance of recovery than most people. Hopefully Jerry Lawler can makes as good a recovery as Muamba did. Wikipedia's page on CPR. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiopulmonary_resuscitation
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Post by joebob27 on Sept 11, 2012 8:35:17 GMT -5
That's odd, I didn't even think anything of the lack of commentary (to the point that Kane and Titus were more or less "calling" match). I guess that shows how professional their camera work is.
It's a strange thing to say but Jerry's lucky that happened when it did. I dunno if he red-eyes it out after the show (or if you even can do that in Montreal), but if he did, there's a pretty good chance he would have died.
At least it was a heart attack, from what I heard it may have sounded like he was snoring on his mic, in which case it would be a massive stroke and he would be brain dead.
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