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Post by unholyminion on Sept 25, 2012 16:55:30 GMT -5
So you're whining because you have to do a little work. Got it. Having to fix a moveset or an entrance is a minor inconvenience at best. What I can't fix, and what the developers should be fixing in the first place, is how half the time I get thrown out of the ring, I somehow phase right back in through the floor. Believe it or not, some people actually value gameplay in a game. It's right there in the word. Game. Gameplay. Funny how that works, isn't it? Can you at least try to converse without the condescending attitude? It's not a good look. You know absolutely nothing about what I value in a game. Who are you to judge what I think is a "minor" inconvience? I'd rather be playing the game, but if I have to spend HOURS fixing what shouldn't have to be fixed in the first place, I won't have a chance to. I buy a game to play it, not work on it until it's as accurate as it was supposed to be when they were working on it. You know what I can't fix? Animations. I can't make Kofi's TIP better. I can't make the Mandible Claw or Vice Grip make people submit. I can't make Sin Cara's La Mistica NOT transition into a submission. I can't do any of that. They have to. If they don't, we're going to have to look at garbage every time the wrestler in question is in a match. How is that fair when they've known FOR YEARS that people have a problem with them? Bottom line, I'm having a realistic take on what they can actually fix. They've shown us by now that they have no idea how to fix some of the bugs in the game. They've proven that they have no idea how to fix the online. Any attempt to do so broke the game that much more. If they couldn't do it in the time frame WWE '12 was focused on, why should I think that they could fix it a mere few months later? They will NEVER get that aspect of the game right. Instead, I harp on aspects of the game they COULD get right, yet choose not to. Games will ALWAYS have bugs and other tech issues, regardless of what they do. What a game won't always have is inaccuracy in almost every aspect, from moves to entrances, music, arenas, animations, & ring announcing. They had the power to remedy that and they couldn't do it. Sorry. But if it takes you hours to do any of that, you're doing it wrong. It takes five minutes to make an entrance, tops. And you can easily download a more accurate moveset online. I'm just saying, you're getting pissed off over nothing. There's a lot more that goes into making a game than just the aesthetic stuff, and calling the game developers lazy for not giving you what you want is childish.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 25, 2012 17:00:08 GMT -5
Can you at least try to converse without the condescending attitude? It's not a good look. You know absolutely nothing about what I value in a game. Who are you to judge what I think is a "minor" inconvience? I'd rather be playing the game, but if I have to spend HOURS fixing what shouldn't have to be fixed in the first place, I won't have a chance to. I buy a game to play it, not work on it until it's as accurate as it was supposed to be when they were working on it. You know what I can't fix? Animations. I can't make Kofi's TIP better. I can't make the Mandible Claw or Vice Grip make people submit. I can't make Sin Cara's La Mistica NOT transition into a submission. I can't do any of that. They have to. If they don't, we're going to have to look at garbage every time the wrestler in question is in a match. How is that fair when they've known FOR YEARS that people have a problem with them? Bottom line, I'm having a realistic take on what they can actually fix. They've shown us by now that they have no idea how to fix some of the bugs in the game. They've proven that they have no idea how to fix the online. Any attempt to do so broke the game that much more. If they couldn't do it in the time frame WWE '12 was focused on, why should I think that they could fix it a mere few months later? They will NEVER get that aspect of the game right. Instead, I harp on aspects of the game they COULD get right, yet choose not to. Games will ALWAYS have bugs and other tech issues, regardless of what they do. What a game won't always have is inaccuracy in almost every aspect, from moves to entrances, music, arenas, animations, & ring announcing. They had the power to remedy that and they couldn't do it. Sorry. But if it takes you hours to do any of that, you're doing it wrong. It takes five minutes to make an entrance, tops. And you can easily download a more accurate moveset online. I'm just saying, you're getting pissed off over nothing. There's a lot more that goes into making a game than just the aesthetic stuff, and calling the game developers lazy for not giving you what you want is childish. What you're doing is childish, we're speaking our mind on the game, and you're screeching about how no one is allowed to have an opinion other than yours. We as the consumers have the right to speak our minds about a product. Oh, let me answer the question you're going to undoubtedly ask soon: But WarChief, the game hasn't even come out yet, how can you find fault in something you haven't tried yet?The information they've given us so far, whether video, written or word of mouth, has a multitude of unsatisfactory aspects. And you're not going to tell me what I can and can't complain about. Period.
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Post by unholyminion on Sept 25, 2012 17:04:04 GMT -5
Sorry. But if it takes you hours to do any of that, you're doing it wrong. It takes five minutes to make an entrance, tops. And you can easily download a more accurate moveset online. I'm just saying, you're getting pissed off over nothing. There's a lot more that goes into making a game than just the aesthetic stuff, and calling the game developers lazy for not giving you what you want is childish. What you're doing is childish, we're speaking our mind on the game, and you're screeching about how no one is allowed to have an opinion other than yours. We as the consumers have the right to speak our minds about a product. Oh, let me answer the question you're going to undoubtedly ask soon: But WarChief, the game hasn't even come out yet, how can you find fault in something you haven't tried yet?The information they've given us so far, whether video, written or word of mouth, has a multitude of unsatisfactory aspects. And you're not going to tell me what I can and can't complain about. Period. See, I don't have an opinion on the game yet because it's not out yet. Unlike some people, I'm not going to judge a game I haven't played. My opinion is simply that none of this stuff is worth getting this mad about. Am I a little annoyed about parts of it? Yeah, but I don't see the point of getting your panties in a twist about five minutes of footage on Youtube.
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Post by WarChief on Sept 25, 2012 17:06:43 GMT -5
What you're doing is childish, we're speaking our mind on the game, and you're screeching about how no one is allowed to have an opinion other than yours. We as the consumers have the right to speak our minds about a product. Oh, let me answer the question you're going to undoubtedly ask soon: But WarChief, the game hasn't even come out yet, how can you find fault in something you haven't tried yet?The information they've given us so far, whether video, written or word of mouth, has a multitude of unsatisfactory aspects. And you're not going to tell me what I can and can't complain about. Period. See, I don't have an opinion on the game yet because it's not out yet. Unlike some people, I'm not going to judge a game I haven't played. My opinion is simply that none of this stuff is worth getting this mad about. Am I a little annoyed about parts of it? Yeah, but I don't see the point of getting your panties in a twist about five minutes of footage on Youtube. Called it. Now knock off the condescending attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 17:09:41 GMT -5
If you have to pay for the product, you have the right to complain about it. I'm not nearly as bugged by the developers as most people, but they can start getting a free pass when they start giving the game away.
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Post by spagett on Sept 25, 2012 17:10:09 GMT -5
I'm definitely waiting this year for the reviews and for the general consensus on here before I buy it. I wasn't going to buy it all but the attitude era thing interests me.
Also if you have to spend any time at all fixing a game you've spent good money on because the makers were too lazy to do it I think you have a right to complain. Doesn't matter if it only takes 5 minutes, that's not the point.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Sept 25, 2012 17:10:19 GMT -5
Oh come on guys, why can't we just look on the bright side? It could be worse. You could be forced to have fighting styles that made WWE 12's overuse of floatover DDTs look like an ROH match's moveset. Not to mention I'm particularly impressed with the Colour History feature, but then that's just me
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Post by unholyminion on Sept 25, 2012 17:18:56 GMT -5
This has been fun, but I'm just going to call it a day before I get banned.
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 25, 2012 17:33:07 GMT -5
Can you at least try to converse without the condescending attitude? It's not a good look. You know absolutely nothing about what I value in a game. Who are you to judge what I think is a "minor" inconvience? I'd rather be playing the game, but if I have to spend HOURS fixing what shouldn't have to be fixed in the first place, I won't have a chance to. I buy a game to play it, not work on it until it's as accurate as it was supposed to be when they were working on it. You know what I can't fix? Animations. I can't make Kofi's TIP better. I can't make the Mandible Claw or Vice Grip make people submit. I can't make Sin Cara's La Mistica NOT transition into a submission. I can't do any of that. They have to. If they don't, we're going to have to look at garbage every time the wrestler in question is in a match. How is that fair when they've known FOR YEARS that people have a problem with them? Bottom line, I'm having a realistic take on what they can actually fix. They've shown us by now that they have no idea how to fix some of the bugs in the game. They've proven that they have no idea how to fix the online. Any attempt to do so broke the game that much more. If they couldn't do it in the time frame WWE '12 was focused on, why should I think that they could fix it a mere few months later? They will NEVER get that aspect of the game right. Instead, I harp on aspects of the game they COULD get right, yet choose not to. Games will ALWAYS have bugs and other tech issues, regardless of what they do. What a game won't always have is inaccuracy in almost every aspect, from moves to entrances, music, arenas, animations, & ring announcing. They had the power to remedy that and they couldn't do it. Sorry. But if it takes you hours to do any of that, you're doing it wrong. It takes five minutes to make an entrance, tops. And you can easily download a more accurate moveset online. I'm just saying, you're getting pissed off over nothing. There's a lot more that goes into making a game than just the aesthetic stuff, and calling the game developers lazy for not giving you what you want is childish. I'm not calling them lazy for not giving me what I want. I'm calling them lazy because that's exactly what they are: - It took 2-3 years for them to eventually give Kofi his correct entrance and his finisher is EXACTLY the same as it was in his first game, SvR 2009. Lazy. - In WWE '12, they gave Jack Swagger the crap Ankle Lock and saved the good one for Michael Cole, who we had to pay additional money for. Now, Ken Shamrock has the exact same bulls*** Ankle Lock that Jack Swagger had, despite him never doing the move like that. They had a damn template from one of the earlier SmackDown games: the Armbar takedown transitioned into his kneeling Ankle Lock. Lazy. - They didn't bother to make Sin Cara's La Mistica accurate, even though they had plenty of time. Lazy. - They recycled Attitude Era Kane's entrance from then-current Kane's SvR 2011 entrance. Lazy. - Despite having a great Clothesline From Hell in years past, they gave JBL the only running clothesline you can set as a finisher. It's the same generic clothesline and not the animation he actually did. They couldn't even bring back the Cigar Taunt Powerbomn, and I'm willing to bet everything I have that the moves are on the disc, just unable to be used. Wouldn't be the first time. Lazy. - Mankind has the exact same Mandible Claw that he did before; one that people hated because it couldn't make people submit. Nothing more frustrating than using a submission finisher that can't make somebody submit. Lazy. - The Great Khali. Damn near everything about him is recycled from past years. His horrible entrance wasn't reanimated. His horrible moves weren't reanimated. He has had the same bullshit EVERYTHING since SmackDown vs. RAW 2007! Lazy with a capitol L. Those are not things "I" want. Those are things that SHOULD be in the game. Why? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR JOB TO BE ACCURATE! I'm not pulling this stuff being wrong from nowhere. It's wrong because it's actually wrong. It's certainly not childish of me to expect accuracy and actually demand it. Speaking of SvR 2011, it did take HOURS to fix everything because EVERYBODY'S moveset was just horrendous. Not one or 2 people, EVERYBODY. There were so many repeated moves. It was just ridiculous. I couldn't even do it all in one sitting. Had I done so, I would've lost my mind somewhere around Finlay.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 25, 2012 17:42:07 GMT -5
Let me just make this clear. There are entrances in this game that are less accurate than entrances from Just Bring It, a game lambasted for its rushed and half-finished nature. THQ are going for the nostalgia factor, and they aren't even able to measure up to their worst game. That's pretty shameful.
The sad thing is, the new features all look good. Redone I Quit? Excellent. The Create An Arena? Almost makes the game worth buying on its own. But the nostalgia factor that all the advertising is geared around? Piss poor.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Sept 25, 2012 17:46:59 GMT -5
My opinion is simply that none of this stuff is worth getting this mad about. This. Annoyed? Sure; I've been annoyed at a few minor things. But being pissed off because a clothesline doesn't look right or because they saved time by recycling an old entrance or because someone doesn't have an entrance attire (JINDER MAHAL OWNS ALL )? That's overreacting, IMO. But then again, I'm not a very emotional person, in a sense where things don't piss me off and I'm too lazy to hate stuff.
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 25, 2012 17:53:53 GMT -5
Nobody was "mad" until that guy came in here and called people crybabies for daring to find fault with the game. That's when people got "mad."
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Post by Starshine on Sept 25, 2012 18:07:02 GMT -5
Nobody was "mad" until that guy came in here and called people crybabies for daring to find fault with the game. That's when people got "mad." You seemed pretty damn mad over Kane's entrance. Caps lock, expletives and everything. ;D
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Sept 25, 2012 18:23:53 GMT -5
Most of what people have mentioned is why I haven't bothered with a WWE game outside of All Stars since near the end of the Smackdown vs. Raw series. Even, '12 for the changes it made, was still the same old stupid stuff that they haven't been bothered to really enhance since friggin' Here Comes the Pain.
I can't fall for the new features and nostalgia stuff when, at the end of the day, it's still the same game I played with minor tweaks for a series that needs a giant overhaul.
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Post by TCM on Sept 25, 2012 18:25:03 GMT -5
For all I may be annoyed at about what's inaccurate about the game, I'd rather have the chance to fix some of it (whether I do or not, I usually don't care for the most part) with the creation suite, than hope THQ will the next year. It would be really terrible if we didn't have the suite. I also can be more understanding considering motion capture is used more than purely animating the moves from scratch on a computer. That's why some games look more "accurate"; you didn't have the restriction of using certain people who never truly get the likeness down 100%. Until WWE tells all their Superstars to go in and lend their likeness for moves/entrances, etc, we'll always have a issue with some characters over others.
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Post by alabastergrim on Sept 25, 2012 18:28:45 GMT -5
I think people aren't as mad as it looks. It's just that when you read stuff, you can't tell the intonation of peoples' voices and quite frankly, everything always looks exaggerated and whiny on the internet.
Now as for the "mad" people, they have a right to be. It's a WWE game that's not faithful to the WWE. This has happened for many years and there's really only one solution: do not buy the game. It's that simple. "But I want a game and I'm forced to buy this if I want...blah blah blah"
No one is forced into anything and no one NEEDS a WWE game to complete their lives. I didn't buy 12 because it was garbage (a friend had it and we played it for about two weeks) and honestly, seeing how they didn't fix the moves at all and how well, completely inaccurate it seems just about everything is, I'm probably not going to purchase this either. I hope you do the same if you feel the same way as I do.
As for the fighting, come on guys. Let's not complain about "well he said I was mad so I got mad" or "you have no right to be mad..." etc. We're a community, let's act like it.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 25, 2012 18:33:22 GMT -5
In the midst of all this negativity, who's up for some WWE '12 on Live tonight?
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Post by WarChief on Sept 25, 2012 18:34:41 GMT -5
In the midst of all this negativity, who's up for some WWE '12 on Live tonight?
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Post by ZeChairman on Sept 25, 2012 19:16:56 GMT -5
In the midst of all this negativity, who's up for some WWE '12 on Live tonight? *Shines up the internet real pretty-like* For you, sir.
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Post by JTH on Sept 25, 2012 19:22:00 GMT -5
In the midst of all this negativity, who's up for some WWE '12 on Live tonight? Exited... Reentered...
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