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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 8, 2012 18:45:55 GMT -5
ROH puts Delirious in charge... Does WWE put Sin Cara in charge? All promos will now be presented with finger points instead of words.
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 8, 2012 18:46:16 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was reported that Brian Gerwitz was promoted to Senior Vice President of Creative Writing last year or so.
Last I heard, David Kapoor (aka Ranjin Singh) is Raw's head writer now.
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Post by hitch on Oct 8, 2012 18:46:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's animosity they need. I think 'quick fix' could be the death knell in the long run. They need someone with long term vision who can see beyond a gimmick or a ratings pop. Vince McMahon has been coasting for years now. Thinking himself to be a Walt Disney like figure producing general entertainment product that is all things to all men. He's not and his company has gone to s*** as a result. 'Must watch' Raw is now a chore to watch. PPVs have the life expectancy as a tissue in a box in the room of an adolescent male. They've (he's) been coasting for far too long and it needs someone to get the product by the horns. Vince needs to takeover control of his shows. Get a wrestling-knowledged assistant to help him - possibly Cornette and Heyman - and start taking names. It's clear his daughter and her son in law, despite how good an in-ring performer the second may have been - are terrible writers/producers of the product. A fact that's become painful now. 2.5. That's 'slump' territory. For the record I was joking about the Heyman, Russo, Cornette team. I see. Well I think Heyman and Cornette could contribute something. Russo could contribute random ideas like.....Anal death match bikini strip contest.........in jello!
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 8, 2012 18:47:37 GMT -5
Heyman and Cornette wouldn't last 5 minutes together
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Post by MGH on Oct 8, 2012 18:47:38 GMT -5
Si! Si! I'm very intrigued!
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Post by Error on Oct 8, 2012 18:49:51 GMT -5
That is what he's done since the dawn of WWE! The writers are only writing what Vince wants because Vince thinks his way is the only way, no matter what happens. Ultimately, yes, but I don't think there's any doubt other hands are now in control of the weekly product and that Vince has taken a back seat. He may still demand ultimate say in all that's produced, but how much impact he has over creative is doubtful these days. 'Daddy has the final say' doesn't necessarily mean 'Daddy's involved in the creative development in storylines'. I think it's patently obvious that he isn't. At least nowhere near to the same degree as he was. There is no doubt. If you see it on RAW, it is because Vince specifically said it needed to be on RAW and told people how to write it out. What we have seen since 2005 onward is Vince McMahon's ideal wrestling product. It's what he did in the 80s and most of 90s. It's how he sees wrestling and rejects anything that doesn't fit that mold.
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Post by hitch on Oct 8, 2012 18:50:25 GMT -5
Heyman and Cornette wouldn't last 5 minutes together I don't see why not. The industry is full of "I hate that piece of crap" bloviators. Every shoot interview you see it's packed with 'I wouldn't piss on X if he was on fire' comments. Yet a lot of them, inevitably, end up working with each other again at some point. It's just what people in the industry do. No doubt they dislike each other, but they're grown men and both would have worked with people they disliked far more and had to get on with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 18:50:42 GMT -5
This board would collapse into a void of sheer what the f*** and open mouth shock.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Oct 8, 2012 18:50:57 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was reported that Brian Gerwitz was promoted to Senior Vice President of Creative Writing last year or so. Last I heard, David Kapoor (aka Ranjin Singh) is Raw's head writer now. Yes this was true, with the same thing for Michael Hayes on Smackdown being promoted to a V-P position and Ed Koskey being named head writer, but I think it was determined that it was basically no real change in chain of command, just a change in titles. Gewirtz was still in charge of writing on Raw.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Oct 8, 2012 18:50:58 GMT -5
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was reported that Brian Gerwitz was promoted to Senior Vice President of Creative Writing last year or so. Last I heard, David Kapoor (aka Ranjin Singh) is Raw's head writer now. That is correct. Ranjin Singh is head writer of raw and Ed Koskey is head writer of Smackdown. Gewirtz was their boss with Stephanie being his in the creative department.
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Post by acidgod on Oct 8, 2012 18:51:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but it's laughable to think Raw is in anyone else's control. The writers may be the sous chefs, but Vince is the head chef, always has been, always will be. If he says the dish doesn't go out, it doesn't go out.
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Post by trillionaireted on Oct 8, 2012 18:53:42 GMT -5
That might be the only thing left in professional wrestling that would cause me to have a 'mark out moment' especially if he came down to the ring in the Russo mobile.
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Post by hitch on Oct 8, 2012 18:53:51 GMT -5
Ultimately, yes, but I don't think there's any doubt other hands are now in control of the weekly product and that Vince has taken a back seat. He may still demand ultimate say in all that's produced, but how much impact he has over creative is doubtful these days. 'Daddy has the final say' doesn't necessarily mean 'Daddy's involved in the creative development in storylines'. I think it's patently obvious that he isn't. At least nowhere near to the same degree as he was. There is no doubt. If you see it on RAW, it is because Vince specifically said it needed to be on RAW and told people how to write it out. What we have seen since 2005 onward is Vince McMahon's ideal wrestling product. It's what he did in the 80s and most of 90s. It's how he sees wrestling and rejects anything that doesn't fit that mold. For his flaws, McMahon should be credited for at least understanding how to build characters, feuds and storylines. Something that has been completely missing in recent years. I think Vince is more than happy for the product to be more 'entertainment' than 'sports entertainment' but the complete lack of anything that resembles his booking at all from the 80s or 90s - I think is telling. He may not have ever been a wrestling purist but he's never before produced a product like he has today where it literally doesn't matter what takes place at a TV show or a PPV. He's never, before now, done that. So yes the direction of the company in some respects likely has his fingerprints all over it, but the lack of core-product I think is a sign that he's taken his eye of the ball.
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Oct 8, 2012 18:53:55 GMT -5
Cena comes out and turns heel in the opening segment. JUST YOU WATCH!
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Oct 8, 2012 18:54:50 GMT -5
Fire kevin dunn next, because he's been producing a terrible show .
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 8, 2012 18:55:52 GMT -5
I guess with Ranjin we'll see more mutton chops based storylines.
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Post by hitch on Oct 8, 2012 18:55:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but it's laughable to think Raw is in anyone else's control. The writers may be the sous chefs, but Vince is the head chef, always has been, always will be. If he says the dish doesn't go out, it doesn't go out. Yet the head chief never cooks a meal himself. There's a difference between 'okaying' something and actually getting your hands dirty at the point of creation.
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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 8, 2012 18:56:13 GMT -5
I hear Cornette might be looking for a new job. lol I know you're joking...But No, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Please God no. I don't want to go back to 1985 any longer.
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Post by acidgod on Oct 8, 2012 18:56:19 GMT -5
Cena comes out and turns heel in the opening segment. JUST YOU WATCH! Part of my brain actually drifted to this idea initially, but reality set in
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 8, 2012 18:56:29 GMT -5
Is anyone else reading CrankyVince right now? Whoever it is is going off on the entire situation, funny stuff.
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