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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 7, 2012 23:32:37 GMT -5
Hogan vs Andre was the first national bout between two guys who were genuinely household names. Hogan was a household name long before 1987. He was on Carson's show in 1982 let's not forget. Andre was a household name because of who he was. The greatest attraction in wrestling's history to that point. It was a different kind of exposure to Hogan's. But he was a household name nonetheless. He was to wrestling what Hulk Hogan was to become. 'Name a wrestler' - the answer would be Andre. So it was the first real titanic match between two household names. Hence why over 30m people tuned in for the re-match a year later, when Andre's star had been starting to fade. At that time, 1987, both Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant as draws and as attractions were bigger than the company itself. It wouldn't remain that way, but at the time it was. If we go back to WM1 - although Piper was known for working in other territories and he gained a following through that, it was the WWF that essentially gave him the national exposure. Therefore 'created' him in that sense. Hogan and Andre were two stars who's global/national recognition outstripped that of the company they worked for in 1987. Therefore the biggest 'moment' of the era, has to be the moment these two icons of popular culture clashed inside a WWF wrestling ring. And weren't WWF fortunate enough to have them both at that time? I'd say so. I voted Hogan slam because I do think it transcends wrestling. The others were great moments in Hogan's career the slam was a great moment in wrestling. However I just want to say everything about the above post is pure modern revisionism. Gotch/Hackenschmidt was the first real pro-wrestling match with national known figures. No, they weren't the tv stars Andre/Hogan were but Joe Lewis wasn't the TV star Muhammed Ali was it doesn't mean Boxing didn't matter before Ali.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Nov 7, 2012 23:55:41 GMT -5
This was the Big Bang of the modern wrestling era. The first (and most lethal) shot fired in the war Vince McMahon declared on the territory system. Not to take anything away from WM 3, but Vince had already kind of won the war (or was already winning at that point.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 8, 2012 0:02:23 GMT -5
I heard that Bobby Heenan's pay-off for being in the main event was $300,000 And he earned every penny. Andre the Giant literally didn't say a word for 2 months after the announcement of the main event. www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm2PbW6S8qM
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 8, 2012 0:11:03 GMT -5
People who have never watched a day of wrestling in their life are aware of the clip where Hogan slams Andre.
It's the most played wrestling clip, like, EVER.
It wins out.
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Post by surferrosa12 on Nov 8, 2012 2:11:48 GMT -5
I'd like to throw Rocky 3 in for consideration. Who knows what wrestling history would look like without that critial role..it planted the seed for Wrestlemania's success, and everything else was icing on the cake. He was established before WM3, and while the nWo rejuvanated Wrestling, none of it would have been possible without Thunderlips.
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Post by hitch on Nov 8, 2012 4:58:08 GMT -5
Hogan vs Andre was the first national bout between two guys who were genuinely household names. Hogan was a household name long before 1987. He was on Carson's show in 1982 let's not forget. Andre was a household name because of who he was. The greatest attraction in wrestling's history to that point. It was a different kind of exposure to Hogan's. But he was a household name nonetheless. He was to wrestling what Hulk Hogan was to become. 'Name a wrestler' - the answer would be Andre. So it was the first real titanic match between two household names. Hence why over 30m people tuned in for the re-match a year later, when Andre's star had been starting to fade. At that time, 1987, both Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant as draws and as attractions were bigger than the company itself. It wouldn't remain that way, but at the time it was. If we go back to WM1 - although Piper was known for working in other territories and he gained a following through that, it was the WWF that essentially gave him the national exposure. Therefore 'created' him in that sense. Hogan and Andre were two stars who's global/national recognition outstripped that of the company they worked for in 1987. Therefore the biggest 'moment' of the era, has to be the moment these two icons of popular culture clashed inside a WWF wrestling ring. And weren't WWF fortunate enough to have them both at that time? I'd say so. I voted Hogan slam because I do think it transcends wrestling. The others were great moments in Hogan's career the slam was a great moment in wrestling. However I just want to say everything about the above post is pure modern revisionism. Gotch/Hackenschmidt was the first real pro-wrestling match with national known figures. No, they weren't the tv stars Andre/Hogan were but Joe Lewis wasn't the TV star Muhammed Ali was it doesn't mean Boxing didn't matter before Ali. It's not revisionism at all. Joe Lewis was nowhere near the star Mohammed Ali was. It's not revisionism in the slightest to say so. It's just the fact. I'm not saying 'wrestling didn't matter' but to compare the impact and influence of Hogan vs Andre with two guys whose bout wasn't seen outside the number of people who went to the arena that day, is being fruitful with the truth. It's like claiming that anyone who says the first televised modern Olympic games was the most important moment to date in the Olympic movement is using "revisionist history" because sport existed before then. With respect if you wish to disagree so vehemently at least try not ignore the entire context in which the argument you're trying to counter was made.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 8, 2012 11:56:20 GMT -5
What are you blabbering about? Hogan wasn't Mr. America! He beat the lie detector, brother!
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Post by willyjakes on Nov 8, 2012 12:15:09 GMT -5
Why was Hogan in his wrestling underwear for a contract signing. Everybody else was fully clothed.
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Post by BigBadZ on Nov 8, 2012 12:56:12 GMT -5
This was the Big Bang of the modern wrestling era. The first (and most lethal) shot fired in the war Vince McMahon declared on the territory system. Not to take anything away from WM 3, but Vince had already kind of won the war (or was already winning at that point. This seemed to be a bigger night for the Iron Sheik
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 8, 2012 13:54:27 GMT -5
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Nov 8, 2012 14:39:34 GMT -5
I voted Hogan slam because I do think it transcends wrestling. The others were great moments in Hogan's career the slam was a great moment in wrestling. However I just want to say everything about the above post is pure modern revisionism. Gotch/Hackenschmidt was the first real pro-wrestling match with national known figures. No, they weren't the tv stars Andre/Hogan were but Joe Lewis wasn't the TV star Muhammed Ali was it doesn't mean Boxing didn't matter before Ali. It's not revisionism at all. Joe Lewis was nowhere near the star Mohammed Ali was. It's not revisionism in the slightest to say so. It's just the fact. I'm not saying 'wrestling didn't matter' but to compare the impact and influence of Hogan vs Andre with two guys whose bout wasn't seen outside the number of people who went to the arena that day, is being fruitful with the truth. It's like claiming that anyone who says the first televised modern Olympic games was the most important moment to date in the Olympic movement is using "revisionist history" because sport existed before then. With respect if you wish to disagree so vehemently at least try not ignore the entire context in which the argument you're trying to counter was made. Except you never said it was the biggest. Which you could arguably have a point. You said it was the FIRST. It wasn't the close circuit event Hogan's was because they didn't have close circuit television. It was however filmed and sold out everywhere the filmings showed. The event made Gotch an instant celebrity landing him roles in plays that sold out on his name alone. It was in the newspapers when everybody read the papers and on the radios when radio was a huge source of entertainment. It was most definitely a national phenomenon and the first big one of wrestling. Heck saying it was only seen by the people in the arena is the very definition of revisionism. It was a stadium and was seen by a vast movie going audience. www.frankgotch.com/images/photos/archive/gotch-hack-matchfilms.jpgassets.sbnation.com/assets/1335529/n_a.jpeg
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Nov 8, 2012 15:06:00 GMT -5
Slamming Andre was easily the bigger moment.
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Post by thetimetraveler on Nov 8, 2012 15:28:09 GMT -5
I went with the slam on Andre.
It's weird because the Andre match made WWF legit and the nWo angle almost killed the WWF.
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Nov 8, 2012 19:03:38 GMT -5
Slamming Andre was a very significant moment in history, but turning heel and joining the n.W.o. Oh my god, I couldn't believe it. I haven't witnessed a turn on that level since. It had relay felt like everything good had died and it was cool to be bad. Its crazy how Hogan is responsible for most of the moments that changed wrestling forever. Goddamn I love the Hulkster.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 8, 2012 21:05:18 GMT -5
In 25 years people will think the nwo was something Ron Paul came up with but they will always remember Hogan slamming Andre.
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Nov 8, 2012 22:31:49 GMT -5
Stanley Blackburn overturning the decision that temporarily made Hulk AWA champion over Bockwinkel the second time. (The over the top rope decision.) The rest may never have happened if not for that. Bailing to WWF at the time may not have seemed as interesting if Verne made him champ.
That feud was Hogan's best. Heenan got his comeuppance every night for months.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 9, 2012 2:38:32 GMT -5
The Hulk Hogan sex tape. Finally all the Hulkamaniacs got to see his 24-inch python.
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Post by mauled on Nov 9, 2012 2:47:33 GMT -5
WM6 Giving the belt to the Warrior. Yes it was an unscripted moment that was purely self serving but also a moment that made sure in the words of Jesse (who hated Hogan) that Hulkamania really will live for ever.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 9, 2012 23:17:37 GMT -5
The slam. Had the nWo angle killed WWF permanantly then I would've went with that.
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Post by mybraveface on Nov 10, 2012 2:23:53 GMT -5
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