hitch
Don Corleone
Hitch knot
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Post by hitch on Nov 10, 2012 20:30:51 GMT -5
I don't mention anyone's name when I ask for a raise. It's unprofessional and unfair on other colleagues. You justify your own pay to your boss. Anyone else is irrelevant. ...having said that, if he turned me down, the first thing I'd say is 'Well he's on £32,000!!!!! No fair!"
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Post by froggyfrog on Nov 10, 2012 20:32:17 GMT -5
Ever since his third book I've lost my fandom for him. It's not at the point of disliking him yet, but im no longer a fan really.
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Emmet Russell
King Koopa
Quieter
The best wrestler on earth.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Nov 10, 2012 20:33:32 GMT -5
Still a huge Foley fan. Hearing his fandom for porn stars and the divas can be a little disturbing at times.
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 10, 2012 20:33:34 GMT -5
IPersonally, I started souring on him during that huge segment in his second book when he became an uber-McMahon brown-noser, when he kept tallies on things like how many times people drank in shows like Cheers and researching how much more frequently it happened on shows like that than it did in the then-Attitude-Era-WWF. Nothing but straw-man arguments and comparing apples and oranges all in the name of kissing Vince's ass. Flair really hit the nail on the head when he buried Foley in his book. Foley did that research to counter the Parents Teacher Council, who were constantly bad-mouthing the WWF and causing them to lose tons of sponsors. The PTC acted like WWF was the worst of the worst, when in fact there were many shows that they never complained about -- which contained much racier or violent content. Some of the stuff he made comparisons to might have seemed ludicrous, but so were many of the WWF "examples" used by the PTC.
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hitch
Don Corleone
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Post by hitch on Nov 10, 2012 20:42:03 GMT -5
IPersonally, I started souring on him during that huge segment in his second book when he became an uber-McMahon brown-noser, when he kept tallies on things like how many times people drank in shows like Cheers and researching how much more frequently it happened on shows like that than it did in the then-Attitude-Era-WWF. Nothing but straw-man arguments and comparing apples and oranges all in the name of kissing Vince's ass. Flair really hit the nail on the head when he buried Foley in his book. Foley did that research to counter the Parents Teacher Council, who were constantly bad-mouthing the WWF and causing them to lose tons of sponsors. The PTC acted like WWF was the worst of the worst, when in fact there were many shows that they never complained about -- which contained much racier or violent content. Some of the stuff he made comparisons to might have seemed ludicrous, but so were many of the WWF "examples" used by the PTC. I'm the last person to defend groups like the PTC, but to say there were other worse shows out there isn't really a 'defence'. There's a difference between violence in an adult drama series, for example - and violence (or whatever else) in a television programming which, despite it's rating at the time, still had a HUGE audience of impressionable children. It's like if tomorrow Disney decided to go R rating and Minnie got her baps out - you can't really say 'well there's worse out there' because the problem wouldn't really be the content it'd be the audience that the product was taking with that content. Kids wouldn't stop being interested in Disney same was young people didn't suddenly 'stop' their interest in WWE. You cannot create an audience in a young demographic over many years and suddenly change tac and not expect complaints from parents.
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 10, 2012 20:49:09 GMT -5
To be fair, Foley DID check his sources. For example, he used sources from actual football players to show that the violence in football is worse than the "violence" in wrestling (and in football, the violence was more or less encouraged, if the players were to be believed) and football has marketed to children (as well as other demographics)
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theryno665
Grimlock
wants a title underneath the stars
Kinda Homeless
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 10, 2012 21:43:08 GMT -5
I'm trying not to listen to any of you. Especially since I'm gonna see his stand-up act in a few days.
/fingers in ears /LA-LA-LA-LA-LA
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Post by Throwback on Nov 10, 2012 21:50:57 GMT -5
Let's see, Out of shape, Not the best looking, needs help doing everyday tasks like putting on his own socks. Yet he has managed to keep this to himself for many years. And he got her before he had any money. I'd say he'd have to be a nice guy.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Nov 10, 2012 22:15:12 GMT -5
I'm trying not to listen to any of you. Especially since I'm gonna see his stand-up act in a few days. /fingers in ears /LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I hear his stand up is good so you should enjoy it. I just had bad dealings with him outside of wrestling.
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Post by Bone Daddy on Nov 10, 2012 22:33:31 GMT -5
I think he's always come off as smug, with an overinflated opinion of his self-worth to the industry. I remember there being an incident where he was giving a promo and the crowd started chanting "Austin" out of nowhere and him being visibly pissed off, even acknowledging it on the mic about how disrespectful it was. He went into even more detail about it in his (IIRC) second book, and how he complained to Terry Funk about it. For a guy who always tries to pass himself off as a folksy nice guy, I can't imagine Cena, Punk, or Rock carrying on about something like that if the crowd was chanting "YES!" or "We Want Ryder!". Personally, I started souring on him during that huge segment in his second book when he became an uber-McMahon brown-noser, when he kept tallies on things like how many times people drank in shows like Cheers and researching how much more frequently it happened on shows like that than it did in the then-Attitude-Era-WWF. Nothing but straw-man arguments and comparing apples and oranges all in the name of kissing Vince's ass. Flair really hit the nail on the head when he buried Foley in his book. Wasn't that thing with Austin an angle?
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Krimzon
Crow T. Robot
This guy is the man!
R.I.P. Deadpool
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 10, 2012 22:38:25 GMT -5
Honestly, Foley stopped being entertaining. That's the quickest way to lose fans. His stint in TNA, bar the "Lunatic Foley" angle, was just terrible and he did so much harm to his legacy. I still haven't recovered from it.
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FinalGwen
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Particularly fond of muffins.
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Post by FinalGwen on Nov 10, 2012 22:58:35 GMT -5
The more he talks about his charity work, the more it gets RAINN's name out there and into the public consciousness, so I have no problems with it. And honestly, that people consider talking about charity work grounds for writing someone off, as opposed to looking at the charity work he's done as a reason for treating him even better, that seems odd to me. He's never seemed to have any ulterior motive for it. There are plenty of charities out there that would be more publicly endearing to be the face for (imagine him working for WWF - no titters - or PETA, or RSPCA, or one of the other hundreds of animal based charities instead. Cuddly Mick Foley posing with cute little cuddly animals, now that'd be an image thing), but he's helped raise awareness about rape, abuse, and incest. Tell you what, why don't you ask X-Pac what he thinks of Mick Foley's charity work and whether it's just an ego grab? (As far as the PTC stuff in Foley Is Good goes, I'm in two minds. I don't like the Attitude Era. I think that aside from the talent of the performers at the time and the level of public interest, there was absolutely nothing redeeming about it, or any of the other nasty car-crash telly of the time. But Foley raises a good point that they were being attacked for stuff that would be looked at as mild in any other form of media, and it's not like the WWF hid the fact that it was going in an adult direction. So... Yeah, not really for or against him for that bit.) Anyway, I can't help but be reminded of this:
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hitch
Don Corleone
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Post by hitch on Nov 10, 2012 23:04:36 GMT -5
Nobody gives to charity without wanting publicity. If you can name anyone who is famous who does then you've just lost your own argument by virtue of the fact you know they gave. So let's not go there. If we wants to write about what he does for charity - let him. It's no different to what everyone else does. Everyone who gives to charity tells at least one other person about it. That's just how it works. It makes us feel better and we also like the kudos we get from other people for doing so.
If you want to attack Foley attack him for being this:
A guy who could have been one of the seminal characters in the entire industry. He could have been. He had in-ring psychology of nobody I've seen since or maybe even including Jake Roberts. What an inspiration he could have been to a whole new generation of fan and performer. Instead what is his legacy?
The guy who falls off stuff.
Thanks, Mick!
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Krimzon
Crow T. Robot
This guy is the man!
R.I.P. Deadpool
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 10, 2012 23:07:35 GMT -5
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Guys, I think this thread is Dean Ambrose in disguise!
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Post by YiHammer on Nov 10, 2012 23:25:24 GMT -5
Stopped respecting Foley when I realized he was a mark for himself and ruined the Ambrose feud
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 10, 2012 23:31:09 GMT -5
I was a Mick Foley fan, then I read that he murdered Dean Ambrose, hid his corpse, and erased any evidence at all of him ever existing. Well, I'm still a fan, but I mean I wouldn't go out of my way to get his autograph or anything. I guess I'd still pay money for it, but I'd have to draw the line at like twenty dollars or near there. Also, I think I'm going to stop wearing so much flannel all the time.
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saintpat
El Dandy
Release the hounds!!!
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Post by saintpat on Nov 11, 2012 0:06:54 GMT -5
He's boring
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 11, 2012 0:19:27 GMT -5
Stopped respecting Foley when I realized he was a mark for himself and ruined the Ambrose feud Was it ever confirmed that Foley really didn't want to feud with him? Because I thought maybe WWE just didn't want it to happen, or maybe Foley's just not in good enough of shape to have a feud like that which would eventually get physical.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Nov 11, 2012 0:48:21 GMT -5
Stopped respecting Foley when I realized he was a mark for himself and ruined the Ambrose feud Outside of Kane, isn't every wrestler a mark for himself?
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Post by Throwback on Nov 11, 2012 1:54:30 GMT -5
Nobody gives to charity without wanting publicity. If you can name anyone who is famous who does then you've just lost your own argument by virtue of the fact you know they gave. I'm all for charity and I think Mick talking about it is more raising awareness then it is back patting. But just to play devil's advocate. What about people who gave to charity and kept it quiet but other people talked about it? EX: Michael Jackson and Shawn Michaels.
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