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Post by Arrow on Jan 6, 2012 11:26:12 GMT -5
I like Daniel Bryan, even if I've never seen him in ROH or anything, and I believe he has the ability to be more than just a midcarder (though not at the level of, say, Randy Orton or John Cena), but I believe his cashing in and becoming champion so quickly was a mistake. He should have been built better than he was prior to becoming champ, like more mic time, and not being put in some stupid losing streak angle. As it is, he's really just some guy.
That's why I like the idea of a heel turn. A loser who really has no business holding the belt, but gets arrogant and insufferable over it anyway, complete with over-the-top celebrations every time he wins a match. Stuff like what happened in this title defense works for me, and I think he shows more personality that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 11:31:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll grant, this heel turn might make Bryan a bit interesting and willing to give it a shot, but can't help but wish it'd gone to someone like Barrett or Cody or something if they really wanted a heel as champion.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Jan 6, 2012 13:31:35 GMT -5
It seems that Daniel Bryan's heel characer is one of three in a new breed of heels that are taking a unique route in order to piss everybody off, even smarks.
Cole, Jericho, and Bryan all seem to be getting on everybody's nerves. People are complaining that they aren't "what I want out of a heel"... but I think that's kinda the point.
*puts on flame suit*
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 6, 2012 13:37:29 GMT -5
It seems that Daniel Bryan's heel characer is one of three in a new breed of heels that are taking a unique route in order to piss everybody off, even smarks. Cole, Jericho, and Bryan all seem to be getting on everybody's nerves. People are complaining that they aren't "what I want out of a heel"... but I think that's kinda the point. *puts on flame suit* You know, I disagreed with this thought for a long time but now I'm starting to understand and liking it. Fans these days are way too smart to do traditional heel stuff and it seems more guys are doing things that are innovative in pissing every fan off, smark and casual. I'm starting to like it actually. Which makes me yearn for a Cena heel turn even more because I have a feeling he will be UNBEARABLE as a heel. However, if they're going to go that far in the "annoying heel direction, those heels need to get their complete just desserts at some point to make it work.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 6, 2012 13:39:09 GMT -5
All I know is I was kinda getting into Daniel Bryan as a face and his possible WM journey. With a slow burn heel turn after a weak MITB cash-in, I've got to say I don't care to see YET ANOTHER "undeserving champion" story.
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Jan 6, 2012 13:42:03 GMT -5
All I know is I was kinda getting into Daniel Bryan as a face and his possible WM journey. With a slow burn heel turn after a weak MITB cash-in, I've got to say I don't care to see YET ANOTHER "undeserving champion" story. That's not how I'm reading it, though. I think he deserved to be champ, but now that he has it, he'll do ANYTHING to hold onto it. And that's what makes him a heel.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 6, 2012 13:48:47 GMT -5
All I know is I was kinda getting into Daniel Bryan as a face and his possible WM journey. With a slow burn heel turn after a weak MITB cash-in, I've got to say I don't care to see YET ANOTHER "undeserving champion" story. That's not how I'm reading it, though. I think he deserved to be champ, but now that he has it, he'll do ANYTHING to hold onto it. And that's what makes him a heel. I think he did too, but in context of the story and the way they're playing it...? He wussed out with cashing in his shot while the opponent was barely conscious, then celebrating like he won the World Cup singlehandedly when he beat...whoever that was on Raw.... and with this deal going on with him beating Big Show by DQ? Smells like "undeserving champion" to me. Who knows? He may make it work. He may be able to get his credibility back once they feed him to Orton or something...it's just not anything I care to see play out.
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Jan 6, 2012 13:55:45 GMT -5
True, it needs some time to run before anything happens.
But he picked up a submission win over Del Rio the night after winning the belt, which I think was the official "Yeah he's legit" sign from WWE.
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Post by AztecaDragon on Jan 6, 2012 14:01:32 GMT -5
True, it needs some time to run before anything happens. But he picked up a submission win over Del Rio the night after winning the belt, which I think was the official "Yeah he's legit" sign from WWE. That may have been their intention, but their silly yo-yo booking of Del Rio as another loser on par with Miz and formerly CM Punk just makes it look like an undeserving champion making a loser tap to get credibility. Have him make someone like Mark Henry tap, then we can talk about Bryan getting something out of beating a heel.
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Post by Rican on Jan 6, 2012 14:07:50 GMT -5
My problem isn't even really Bryan himself. I think he could eventually be at least close to a main event guy if they built it up right. I'm just tired of WWE pushing people into the world title scene out of nowhere. The MITB stuff is a huge problem because of this. I see no way Bryan doesn't end up being another Swagger: random midcard world champion with a lackluster run that gets pushed down the card after and flounders. Same thing that happened with Sheamus, Del Rio, and Punk after his first world title win. You can't just give guys that weren't really doing anything before the world title. It makes the world title scene look bad and makes wrestlers wander aimlessly for a while before becoming really established.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 6, 2012 14:19:58 GMT -5
The problem of Swagger push wasnt ONLY the quick cash-in.It was also being fed to Show and Mysterio.
Bryan from what i watched,did greatly,he wont have the same problem that Swagger had.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 6, 2012 14:42:33 GMT -5
I don't really buy that. Lots of guys get fed to Show and Mysterio, as well as other main event faces (Cena, Orton, HHH, 'Taker...) and are able to bounce back. I'm of the opinion that if you're good enough, you can survive, and bounce back from terrible booking. CM Punk did, so did Wade Barrett. Hell, R-Truth was a glorified jobber just before his heel turn and all it took was a little over a month for him to become an upper midcard/main event heel. I think the real problem with Jack Swagger was that he had no business holding that belt in the first place. IMO, he still felt like a midcard act when he won it and nothing he did during that reign really changed that. The booking certainly didn't help, but I don't think that was the only problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 14:45:07 GMT -5
Well, Swagger's not exactly been given chances to bounce back to be fair, and really they should've at least built him up a bit before winning the briefcase. Going from losing clean in January to Santino to beating Orton to retain the title in April is one hell of a jump.
Speaking of, didn't do Swagger any favors that WWE did everything it could to underplay him beating Orton and had Orton beat him three or four times on TV around the same time.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 6, 2012 14:58:02 GMT -5
Well, Swagger's not exactly been given chances to bounce back to be fair, and really they should've at least built him up a bit before winning the briefcase. Going from losing clean in January to Santino to beating Orton to retain the title in April is one hell of a jump. That's true, but even then, R-Truth was treated very similarly. He started out as a glorified jobber, turned heel and immediately jumped straight from that into feuds with Rey Mysterio and John Cena, lost clean to Cena early on in his run, and was still able to cement himself solidly as a main event heel afterwards, being part of WWE's big fall angle and being a part of the Night of Champions and Survivor Series main events against guys like CM Punk, Triple H, John Cena, and The Rock. You could argue he's been given the same chances as Jack Swagger, and was able to do a lot more with it. Still, I agree that Swagger and Bryan really should have been booked better leading into their world title runs. If you're going to try and make something out of them, at least commit to it.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 6, 2012 16:42:17 GMT -5
I watched the show, and its so obvious Bryan is becoming a weasally heel type. He talked down to AJ backstage, talked down to Show in the pre-match promo, goaded Henry into pushing him, and begged the ref to call for a DQ. I don't really like that sort of finish to a title match, but Bryan showed great potential as a cowardly heel type this week.
Rest of it is pretty hit and miss - mostly miss. They are trying to build Jinder Mahal as a threat after months and months of jobbing, Santino is Teddy's new assistant, Heath Slater is Hornswoggle's new bitch apparently, and Natalya jobbed in under 2 minutes.
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 6, 2012 16:46:54 GMT -5
From someone that has never watched ROH.....could Daniel Bryan be the greatest heel of all time? He wasn´t even that big of a heel on this Smackdown, but still I laughed my ass of when he talked with AJ and when he was talking with Big Show. How he talks is very,very,very different then any heel I have ever seen and I LOVE it.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 6, 2012 16:49:07 GMT -5
It seems that Daniel Bryan's heel characer is one of three in a new breed of heels that are taking a unique route in order to piss everybody off, even smarks. Cole, Jericho, and Bryan all seem to be getting on everybody's nerves. People are complaining that they aren't "what I want out of a heel"... but I think that's kinda the point. *puts on flame suit* He isn't getting on my nerves though. I kind of like him but...not enough to mark out for when he wins. Hope his heel character is good though.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 6, 2012 17:00:49 GMT -5
Loved Henry's answer to Cole's question about a Hornswoggle vs. Daniel Bryan match
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 6, 2012 17:13:22 GMT -5
Loved Henry's answer to Cole's question about a Hornswoggle vs. Daniel Bryan match Yeah he was awesome. I think he's the first heel on commentary not to kowtow to Cole and agree with everything he says.
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Post by Dee Jay on Jan 6, 2012 19:00:35 GMT -5
Henry on commentary was immense. I'm rewatching the match just to listen out for him again
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