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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 8, 2013 18:19:36 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 8, 2013 18:24:43 GMT -5
So he votes for Bagwell because there was no substantial proof of PED use. Yet leaves off Piazza despite there being no substantial proof of PED use. ...
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 8, 2013 18:25:31 GMT -5
If any good comes out of this, it's that Raines will keep building momentum.
Wow...a HOF ceremony where the headliner is Deacon White. LOL
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 8, 2013 18:32:01 GMT -5
If any good comes out of this, it's that Raines will keep building momentum. Wow...a HOF ceremony where the headliner is Deacon White. LOL The problem is if no one gets in this year it because a clusterf*** forever. Take this current ballot that if you voting regardless of PED use, you could vote for 10 and still feel a few more are worthy. Now add Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Mussina in there to get votes.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Jan 8, 2013 19:30:47 GMT -5
And I repeat: There is no bigger group of self important jackoffs than the BBWA On Clubhouse Confidential yesterday, Brian Kenny had 3 Hall Of Fame Voters. I forget any of their names, but one was the guy with a mustache that is on that show a lot, one was the president of the BBWAA, and the other was some old guy. The guy with the mustache said something to the effect of: "We should look into adding some people that are involved in the game to also vote on the hall of fame since they would bring a different perspective than just the writers." He then said "I don't think it's fair that someone like Vin Scully doesn't get a vote on the Hall of Fame." The old guy immediately interrupted him and was practically yelling that Vin Scully should not get a vote since he is an employee of a team. Why the hell would any logical person have a problem with Vin Scully voting for the Hall of Fame? Are they afraid he's only going to vote for Raul Mondesi. Eric Karros, and Steve Sax? Any logical thinking person knows that someone like him would be as fair as anyone in voting. Much more fair than people that turn in blank ballots. I think that old guys' reaction told me everything that I needed to know about the BBWAA. They don't really care about the hall of fame, they don't care really about who gets in, what they really care about is the fact that THEY get to vote on the hall of fame, and THEY are the ones that have an effect on the careers of these great athletes after the athletes have retired. All that matters to them is the fraternity of the BBWAA itself, and their ability to sit on Mt, Olympus and "make statements" through their voting, and in their mind, the sport of baseball be damned.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 8, 2013 19:34:06 GMT -5
Well I am giving my predictions and I think Biggio sneaks in barely above 75 percent and hopefully people don't put in Jack Morris just because he PITCH TO THE SCOREZ GUYS that why his ERA is so high.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 8, 2013 19:37:17 GMT -5
Why can't the voters just take into account the stats of players before their presumed PED use? Prior to their "tainted" years, Bonds and Clemens still had first-ballot HOF numbers and off the chart WAR ranks regardless.
If they wanted to be thourough, they might as well start removing past HOFers that presumably used the enhancers of their day.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 8, 2013 20:43:52 GMT -5
Worst HOF argument I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 21:05:22 GMT -5
Why can't the voters just take into account the stats of players before their presumed PED use? Prior to their "tainted" years, Bonds and Clemens still had first-ballot HOF numbers and off the chart WAR ranks regardless. Because they can't assume Clemens, Bonds, etc, weren't using prior to their reported/rumored use. At least that is what I assume the reasoning will be to that type of question.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 21:09:34 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 8, 2013 21:32:36 GMT -5
Are the Hall and BBWAA two separate entities outside of HoF voting? Because nothing would make me happier than to see these self-important jackasses lose the ability to vote as an organization while the Hall figures something else out. Or at least expand the voting pool so the BBWAA aren't nearly as significant as they currently are.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 8, 2013 21:40:32 GMT -5
Palmerio is a bit different because he was actually suspended. However right or wrong that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 7:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2013 7:13:42 GMT -5
Palmerio is a bit different because he was actually suspended. However right or wrong that is. Yep, also Sosa is a bigger part of baseball history than Raffy. Look no further than how huge 1998 was for baseball.
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Post by domrep on Jan 9, 2013 9:45:44 GMT -5
So the Nats agree to a 2 year/$24 million deal with Adam LaRoche. Morse is officially on the trade block. Any Mariners or Rays fans can tell me a bit about their farm system? Even tho the Nats had the best record in the NL, they need a left handed reliever and need to restock their farm system.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 10:26:45 GMT -5
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 11:37:55 GMT -5
-Best player of the last 50 years -Top 5 pitcher of the last 50 years -One of the better first baseman of all time -A top 3 offensive catcher -A top of the line base stealer who is a much, much better player than Lou "first ballot" Brock -A top 5 SS of the modern era -A top 3 DH ever (again, better than Paul "first ballot" Molitor)
And NONE OF THEM get in. What a joke the BBWAA is.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2013 11:53:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Piazza is a top 3 offensive catcher, I'd say he's the greatest offensive catcher.
I agree that the BBWAA is a joke. They have this notion that Cooperstown is pristine, and nobody in there cheated. PEDs have been around for a long time, there are guys in the Hall who took amphetamines before games. That is cheating, and giving someone an advantage. They also like to think that this was a rogue group of players when it wasn't. It was a pretty damn even playing field.
I also agree with what Timmy K (admitted he voted for Bonds and Clemens) and Stink said on Mike and Mike. Blame needs to go on baseball for turning a blind eye to this, and encouraging it. Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, Big Mac, Raffy, everyone of them know what they did, but to deny their accomplishments on an even playing field, and when there are numerous cheaters in the Hall is stupid.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 11:59:35 GMT -5
There's an argument for that, sure (the Piazza thing). I just don't care enough about PED use to have it looked like these guys are a bunch of murderers, instead of guys looking to help themselves survive a long season like everyone has always done. Plus, there's no direct evidence that roids or whatever completely help you. It's all circumstantial, no matter.
Plus, Piazza has skin issues. I suppose that means I took steroids too, freaking BBWAA.
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Post by Nasty Nate: The Giant Midget on Jan 9, 2013 12:16:05 GMT -5
Someone said something like this the other day: if a voter turns in a blank ballot, with these players listed then they should not be allowed to vote next year.
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