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Post by RKTaker on Dec 16, 2012 11:10:13 GMT -5
i can't believe the past 5 pages have been mets talk i don't even think that this happened during johan's no hitter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:28:40 GMT -5
Passan says that d'Arnaud's knee passed the Mets smell test.
It's just awaiting a Dickey extension now, no question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:37:37 GMT -5
Man, the Mets getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey is an excellent return. Toronto, prior to the trade with the Marlins and this rumored trade, had a top 3-5 farm system in baseball, and for the mets to potentially get the #1 and #2 ranked prospects in that system is pretty impressive. I didn't mind TDA being involved, but I'm scared to death of including Syndergaard. Power pitcher with great stuff.
With that said, from the Jays perspective, they are getting R.A. Dickey, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio, and Josh Thole for Yunel Escobar, Jeff Mathis, and a whole bunch of prospects (Hechavarria, Alvarez, Nicolino, Syndergaard, d'Arnaud, etc). The success rate with prospects is not very high. Some pan out, but most flop or don't live up to expectations. The Jays are far more likely to see positive gains from the players they got than the Marlins or Mets will from their returns. As a Jays fan, that's all I can ask for. Haven't made the playoffs since 1993 and the window with Bautista in his prime is not very long. They had to do something.
With that said, great deal for the Mets if it happens. To get Wheeler, TDA, and Noah for Beltran and Dickey is a great step in rebuilding the farm system.
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 16, 2012 11:42:05 GMT -5
Passan says that d'Arnaud's knee passed the Mets smell test. It's just awaiting a Dickey extension now, no question. yes yes yes that's good news
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 16, 2012 11:43:31 GMT -5
Man, the Mets getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey is an excellent return. Toronto, prior to the trade with the Marlins and this rumored trade, had a top 3-5 farm system in baseball, and for the mets to potentially get the #1 and #2 ranked prospects in that system is pretty impressive. I didn't mind TDA being involved, but I'm scared to death of including Syndergaard. Power pitcher with great stuff. With that said, from the Jays perspective, they are getting R.A. Dickey, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio, and Josh Thole for Yunel Escobar, Jeff Mathis, and a whole bunch of prospects (Hechavarria, Alvarez, Nicolino, Syndergaard, d'Arnaud, etc). The success rate with prospects is not very high. Some pan out, but most flop or don't live up to expectations. The Jays are far more likely to see positive gains from the players they got than the Marlins or Mets will from their returns. As a Jays fan, that's all I can ask for. Haven't made the playoffs since 1993 and the window with Bautista in his prime is not very long. They had to do something. With that said, great deal for the Mets if it happens. To get Wheeler, TDA, and Noah for Beltran and Dickey is a great step in rebuilding the farm system. we're getting buck too (unfortunately)
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 16, 2012 11:45:55 GMT -5
Man, the Mets getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey is an excellent return. Toronto, prior to the trade with the Marlins and this rumored trade, had a top 3-5 farm system in baseball, and for the mets to potentially get the #1 and #2 ranked prospects in that system is pretty impressive. I didn't mind TDA being involved, but I'm scared to death of including Syndergaard. Power pitcher with great stuff. With that said, from the Jays perspective, they are getting R.A. Dickey, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio, and Josh Thole for Yunel Escobar, Jeff Mathis, and a whole bunch of prospects (Hechavarria, Alvarez, Nicolino, Syndergaard, d'Arnaud, etc). The success rate with prospects is not very high. Some pan out, but most flop or don't live up to expectations. The Jays are far more likely to see positive gains from the players they got than the Marlins or Mets will from their returns. As a Jays fan, that's all I can ask for. Haven't made the playoffs since 1993 and the window with Bautista in his prime is not very long. They had to do something. With that said, great deal for the Mets if it happens. To get Wheeler, TDA, and Noah for Beltran and Dickey is a great step in rebuilding the farm system. Plus this is the year it seems the AL east is in it's weakest. So while it's always a risk, I think this is a good year for the Blue Jays to go for it all. The Yankee keep getting older, the red socks seem average, the rays took a bit of a step back and the orioles have done nothing. While I am happy about this return, I think the blue Jays should be happy because this moves them up to the near top of the AL with this move.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 11:48:39 GMT -5
Man, the Mets getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey is an excellent return. Toronto, prior to the trade with the Marlins and this rumored trade, had a top 3-5 farm system in baseball, and for the mets to potentially get the #1 and #2 ranked prospects in that system is pretty impressive. I didn't mind TDA being involved, but I'm scared to death of including Syndergaard. Power pitcher with great stuff. With that said, from the Jays perspective, they are getting R.A. Dickey, Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonifacio, and Josh Thole for Yunel Escobar, Jeff Mathis, and a whole bunch of prospects (Hechavarria, Alvarez, Nicolino, Syndergaard, d'Arnaud, etc). The success rate with prospects is not very high. Some pan out, but most flop or don't live up to expectations. The Jays are far more likely to see positive gains from the players they got than the Marlins or Mets will from their returns. As a Jays fan, that's all I can ask for. Haven't made the playoffs since 1993 and the window with Bautista in his prime is not very long. They had to do something. With that said, great deal for the Mets if it happens. To get Wheeler, TDA, and Noah for Beltran and Dickey is a great step in rebuilding the farm system. we're getting buck too (unfortunately) The Buck/Thole swap is likely being done because the Jays need someone who can catch the knuckleball (Arencibia can barely catch a fastball), and the Jays may have agreed to include Noah mainly because Buck makes $6M and the Mets would actually be taking on salary in that scenario (and the Jays saving money). Buck as a one year stop-gap is not a bad option. He is just keeping the seat warm for TDA anyway. I actually like Thole. Seems like a high OBP catcher and solid back-up for Arencibia (who has a low OBP but good power).
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 16, 2012 11:56:23 GMT -5
we're getting buck too (unfortunately) The Buck/Thole swap is likely being done because the Jays need someone who can catch the knuckleball (Arencibia can barely catch a fastball), and the Jays may have agreed to include Noah mainly because Buck makes $6M and the Mets would actually be taking on salary in that scenario (and the Jays saving money). Buck as a one year stop-gap is not a bad option. He is just keeping the seat warm for TDA anyway. I actually like Thole. Seems like a high OBP catcher and solid back-up for Arencibia (who has a low OBP but good power). Yea thole pre concussion was a decent hitting catcher. Draws walks at a pretty good rate for a young catcher. I think he be a decent partnership with J.P. I don't really hate Buck, he draws some walks and as a back up he is decent.
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Post by darbus alan on Dec 16, 2012 12:17:27 GMT -5
I still think the Jays should trade Reyes somewhere that plays in natural grass at home. Rogers Centre is not going to be very kind to his knees.
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Post by bob on Dec 16, 2012 12:21:25 GMT -5
The Blue Jays are giving up way to much for a guy who has only been average at best before this season, the only one in which he has been a true number one pitcher.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 12:27:06 GMT -5
The Blue Jays are giving up way to much for a guy who has only been average at best before this season, the only one in which he has been a true number one pitcher. Dickey's last three seasons: 39-28 2.95 ERA 468 K's 150 BB'S
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 16, 2012 12:28:36 GMT -5
The Blue Jays are giving up way to much for a guy who has only been average at best before this season, the only one in which he has been a true number one pitcher. Dickey's last three seasons: 39-28 2.95 ERA 468 K's 150 BB'S the only reason why he has 39 wins is because of the 20 win season this year
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 12:29:55 GMT -5
The Blue Jays are giving up way to much for a guy who has only been average at best before this season, the only one in which he has been a true number one pitcher. Dickey was very good in 2010 and 2011 as well. He just went to another level in 2012. 2010: 2.84 ERA, 174.1 IP 2011: 3.28 ERA, 208.2 IP 2012: 2.73 ERA, 233.2 IP This article echoes the same thing. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/r-a-dickey-and-the-myth-of-one-great-year/
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 16, 2012 13:48:40 GMT -5
Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets, #BlueJays have agreement in principle on Dickey trade. Window open for Jays to extend Dickey, which would complete deal. It's a 72 hour window that ends at Tuesday 1pm.
So I guess it's almost official now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 14:05:53 GMT -5
Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets, #BlueJays have agreement in principle on Dickey trade. Window open for Jays to extend Dickey, which would complete deal. It's a 72 hour window that ends at Tuesday 1pm. So I guess it's almost official now I still can't believe we're getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard. I didn't think we could get either (especially d'Arnaud)
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 16, 2012 14:08:47 GMT -5
Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mets, #BlueJays have agreement in principle on Dickey trade. Window open for Jays to extend Dickey, which would complete deal. It's a 72 hour window that ends at Tuesday 1pm. So I guess it's almost official now I still can't believe we're getting d'Arnaud and Syndergaard. I didn't think we could get either (especially d'Arnaud) Yup but as the saying goes, flags fly forever, so the Blue Jays are doing everything in their power to go for it this year.
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Post by RKTaker on Dec 16, 2012 14:13:10 GMT -5
i think this will be the starting rotation for the mets no specific order Johan,Niese,Harvey,Gee,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 14:13:54 GMT -5
i think this will be the starting rotation for the mets no specific order Johan,Niese,Harvey,Gee, Probably Mejia as #5 unless Mets sign a low level guy.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 16, 2012 14:21:41 GMT -5
And Zach hopefully being ready by mid june. Also have guys like mchugh, hefner, familia for depth options if Mejia fails.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 14:27:06 GMT -5
No on Familla. Mets view him as a reliever. Definitely what he will be.
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