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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 11:51:31 GMT -5
One such difference then was that all of Marvel's characters existed in the same universe on the same Earth. DC had multiple Earths in multiple universes. That of course changed with Crisis on Infinite Earths when they collapsed their universes into one explicitly to imitate Marvel. Not necessarily, as there are lots of alternate futures and characters that cross over dimension to dimension, such as a Reed Richards from an alternative Earth where he was sent to get the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Galactus instead of the Human Torch and failed to get it in time to stop the world eater. Not only that, but if you include the "Ultimates" line or titles like that, then Marvel kind of has its own multiverse as well.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Dec 15, 2012 11:53:29 GMT -5
Marvel characters tend to be more flawed and realistic than alot of DC characters.
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Post by Mike Wooster on Dec 15, 2012 11:59:07 GMT -5
the big difference is that the people of the DC universe love having Superheroes around. Not anymore. There is a great deal of mistrust directed towards super-powered individuals since the "52" reboot. I'd also argue that DC's continuity has ever been more cohesive than Marvel's. DC has had multiple events based series that has redone the history of its Universe. Crisis on Infinite Earths. Zero Hour, Hypertime, and the relaunch are examples. DC's muddled continuity is a plot point for writers now. Not that I think that its a bad thing, mind you, but its a lot easier to create a definitive narrative of the Marvel Universe than to do the same with DC's.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 15, 2012 12:10:15 GMT -5
Marvel characters tend to be more flawed and realistic than alot of DC characters. I'd argue that depends on the writer. In the right hands even uber-powerful characters like Superman (who was badly damaged by his Silver Age interpretations) can be pretty relatable if they're given the right stories.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Dec 15, 2012 12:37:15 GMT -5
One such difference then was that all of Marvel's characters existed in the same universe on the same Earth. DC had multiple Earths in multiple universes. That of course changed with Crisis on Infinite Earths when they collapsed their universes into one explicitly to imitate Marvel. Not necessarily, as there are lots of alternate futures and characters that cross over dimension to dimension, such as a Reed Richards from an alternative Earth where he was sent to get the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Galactus instead of the Human Torch and failed to get it in time to stop the world eater. Allow me to clarify my claim in that case. The core Marvel characters all hail from the same Earth by inception. First there was the Fantastic Four. Then came Spider-Man, who wad part of the same Earth and soon crossed over with the FF. And so on as Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, X-Men, etc. They were all part of the same setting. DC's characters were not conceived nor integrated that way at first. Alternate universes are alternative to core universes. For example, the Justice League did not coexist with the Justice Society back in the day. JL was Earth-1 while JS was Earth-2. But the Earth in which Richards failed to acquire the Ultimate Nullifier is a deviation from the original Galactus story.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 15, 2012 12:38:43 GMT -5
indeed. I find Clark Kent to be a million times easier to identify with than Tony Stark, for instance (not a knock on Tony, but what normal person can identify with a multi-billionaire playboy with a super-genius I.Q.?)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 12:45:52 GMT -5
indeed. I find Clark Kent to be a million times easier to identify with than Tony Stark, for instance (not a knock on Tony, but what normal person can identify with a multi-billionaire playboy with a super-genius I.Q.?) Well, not all the way but there are aspects of him that I feel people can identify with: his alcoholism, his abusive father, confidence problems, physical problems, his strained relationships with his friends and lovers, guilt over the weapons he's produced and the technology that others have abused that he created, etc. Very human problems.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 15, 2012 12:46:49 GMT -5
Not necessarily, as there are lots of alternate futures and characters that cross over dimension to dimension, such as a Reed Richards from an alternative Earth where he was sent to get the Ultimate Nullifier to defeat Galactus instead of the Human Torch and failed to get it in time to stop the world eater. Not only that, but if you include the "Ultimates" line or titles like that, then Marvel kind of has its own multiverse as well. And that's not getting into alternate universes like the Cinematic Universe or the ones for their cartoons, plus the thousands upon thousands of universes seen in various stories and What If... issues.
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Post by Talent Name on Dec 15, 2012 12:54:20 GMT -5
indeed. I find Clark Kent to be a million times easier to identify with than Tony Stark, for instance (not a knock on Tony, but what normal person can identify with a multi-billionaire playboy with a super-genius I.Q.?) Its not that I identify but rather the personal struggles. Like when Robert Downey Jr was picked to play him in the Iron Man movies I knew it was a great fit. Because Downey was a former alcoholic and drug user who was seeking redemption and a chance to prove himself and Stark had similar trials and tribulations during certain issues.
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Post by dragon on Dec 15, 2012 13:05:01 GMT -5
I'd say DC is more classic and wholesome while Marvel is more gritty and realistic. DC has more moral confidence; Marvel plays more with shades of gray.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 13:07:43 GMT -5
I'd say DC is more classic and wholesome while Marvel is more gritty and realistic. DC has more moral confidence; Marvel plays more with shades of gray. I think that's true for the most part but DC was the center of gritty comics in the 80s and then you have the Vertigo line in the 90s. Marvel did break with the comic code in the 00s, so there is that too.
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Post by The OP on Dec 15, 2012 15:11:31 GMT -5
I'd say DC is more classic and wholesome while Marvel is more gritty and realistic. DC has more moral confidence; Marvel plays more with shades of gray. I think that's true for the most part but DC was the center of gritty comics in the 80s and then you have the Vertigo line in the 90s. Marvel did break with the comic code in the 00s, so there is that too. Yeah, the whole DC being more wholesome thing seems to be the common thinking but I'm really not convinced that it's true.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Dec 15, 2012 15:49:19 GMT -5
I think the "wholesome" element of DC is vestigial by this point. I think it was once true, just as Marvel was once the "realistic" alternative to DC - but that's relative to their time. If reads DC comics from the 50s and 60s, they will find that they were significantly more whimsical than the stuff Marvel produced. This more or less started to even out in the 70s as DC started to get with the times a little and Marvel started to develop such a large universe of characters that it sometimes drifted into a soap opera land of capes and cowls.
Here is a key difference I can say for sure though: a good chunk of DC's characters, as they originated in the Golden Age, are direct descendants of the pulp fiction that preceded them like Doc Savage, The Avenger, The Shadow, G-8, and The Spider. They are written in a similar but amped up style and that very amped up style would come to codify superheroes as we know them today.
When Marvel started cranking out their initial classic characters, the superhero genre was already two decades old. These were the next generation of superheroes and they were created with an eye of humanizing the superhero. New questions and themes were explored in these comics.
While Marvel (then Timely) had Captain America back in the '40s, they reinvented him by making him a man out of time. DC, not quite a decade before, simply had a second Earth with Golden Age heroes as opposed to the Silver Age heroes.
This point speaks to character origins as opposed to character evolution of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 15:55:14 GMT -5
indeed. I find Clark Kent to be a million times easier to identify with than Tony Stark, for instance (not a knock on Tony, but what normal person can identify with a multi-billionaire playboy with a super-genius I.Q.?) Because underneath Stark's public persona is a man with many issues ranging from addiction to psychological and emotional. I've always related to Marvel characters more. The struggles they go through always connected to something I was dealing with. I think they're also more connected to the real world. Someone already posted about the 9/11 event and that makes them feel more real. Like they exist alongside us.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 15, 2012 15:57:12 GMT -5
indeed. I find Clark Kent to be a million times easier to identify with than Tony Stark, for instance (not a knock on Tony, but what normal person can identify with a multi-billionaire playboy with a super-genius I.Q.?) I personally relate more to Captain America than Superman/Clark Kent. Maybe it's 'cause underneath that red-white-and-blue suit is an underdog who refused to let the odds get to him.
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Post by ronin705 on Dec 15, 2012 15:57:30 GMT -5
DC: Demigods (Superman, Wonderwoman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lanterns,Batman) and Metas (Flash, Black Canary, Blue Beetle, etc)
Marvel: Cosmos (Surfer,F4, Thor, Galactus, etc.) and Mutates (X-Men, Spiderman, Daredevil, Extremis Ironman, Cap, etc..)
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Post by kolani on Dec 15, 2012 19:13:48 GMT -5
I expect to take heat for this, but 9/11 in the Marvel Universe was totally illogical and was only done to sell comics. If you realistically want to get into it, you could pass it off in the DCU easier than you could in the Marvel Universe just based on the sheer number of powered individuals in the immediate area that could have stopped it. Marvel has more totally omniscient superheroes, I believe both Xavier and Jean Grey were alive at the time? Plus the Illuminati had the Infinity Gems, they would have been able to prevent it from getting worse AFTER THE FACT.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 15, 2012 19:30:28 GMT -5
it also gave us Dr. Doom crying over the wreckage, when he's certainly done worse in his day and age. yeah IMO superhero comics should stay out of real world issues when they can.
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Post by kolani on Dec 15, 2012 19:38:49 GMT -5
As far as the rest of the Marvel Universe goes, Cassandra Nova's attack on Genosha itself accounted for more than 3200 times the death toll of the 9/11 attacks.
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 15, 2012 20:21:16 GMT -5
it also gave us Dr. Doom crying over the wreckage, when he's certainly done worse in his day and age. yeah IMO superhero comics should stay out of real world issues when they can. If a comic (whether Marvel or DC) wants to tell me to not do drugs or alcohol, or not have sex until "I'm ready for the responsibility" or whatever, I'm fine with that. The whole 9/11 thing, and the infamous Spidey/Wolverine fist bump because a certain real life leader of a certain real life country was no longer in office really makes me frown on them. Subscribe tto the FAN forum boards of doing things, Marvel and DC...and keep your f***ing personal views on politics and religion out of the comics. (And I'm sorry, this goes for assholes like Frank Miller too.)
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