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Post by eJm on Dec 25, 2012 6:11:30 GMT -5
Raw was pretty damn fun, exactly what a Christmas special should have been but the treatment Cole and Lawler gave to the Otunga/Ryder match was appalling to me.
I know neither of them are the biggest stars or the best wrestlers but they could at least seem like they CARED about the match instead of A) ignoring most of the moves and B) told stupid jokes and rattled through what they were supposed to say in the first minute. If they can't care about these two, then why the hell should the audience?
I was getting into this Raw but that match took me straight out of it.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 25, 2012 6:57:57 GMT -5
Haven't watched Raw yet but yeah, that sounds annoying. I hate when commentators ignore what's going on in the ring.
I remember when Zack lost the U.S belt to Swagger and it took 3 gutwrench powerbombs to put him away. That should have been an awesome moment, an already injured Zack Ryder having the toughness to kick out of two consecutive powerbombs.... but King and Cole completely no-sold it, instead chattering on about the main event. It killed what should have been a great moment.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 25, 2012 7:30:25 GMT -5
Haven't watched Raw yet but yeah, that sounds annoying. I hate when commentators ignore what's going on in the ring. I remember when Zack lost the U.S belt to Swagger and it took 3 gutwrench powerbombs to put him away. That should have been an awesome moment, an already injured Zack Ryder having the toughness to kick out of two consecutive powerbombs.... but King and Cole completely no-sold it, instead chattering on about the main event. It killed what should have been a great moment. And that was the day Swagger's Gutwrench Powerbomb died as any sort of big move whatsoever.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 25, 2012 14:01:22 GMT -5
They do that during every Ryder match. I don't understand why they even put him on tv if all they do is bury him. That was a good match too!
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Post by zeez on Dec 25, 2012 15:10:48 GMT -5
I don't get why they would put anyone in the ring and not try to get them over in some form or fashion. Burying or ignoring the talent helps nobody make money.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 25, 2012 15:36:06 GMT -5
On the bright side--Ryder had the mic and his promo wasn't even bad. CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 25, 2012 15:57:43 GMT -5
Umm, we're not supposed to care about Zack Ryder.
That's kinda been their M.O. from the beginning.
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Post by Rocket N. Nine on Dec 25, 2012 16:14:54 GMT -5
Cole was making fun of Ryder for still believing in Santa...while giving updates on Santa's condition.
Cole and Lawler are the worst.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 25, 2012 18:58:58 GMT -5
The thread title could be The Commentary for ___________ Sucked.
Insert pretty much any match in the last few years.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 25, 2012 19:30:10 GMT -5
WWE's message is clear. "Zack Ryder is nobody, and you should not care for him.'
Which is really stupid.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 25, 2012 20:25:10 GMT -5
You can't blame Lawler or Cole. Especially seeing as they have Vince constantly in their ear telling them what to say.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 25, 2012 20:31:23 GMT -5
I thought it was appropriate. Zack is a comedy act -- his catchphrase is "Woo Woo Woo ... You Know It." He dresses like a goofball. He acts like a goofball. His character is a goofball. He got himself 'over' with an internet show that might as well be called "Hey, Look at Me: I'm a Goofball!!!" They don't take Santino seriously either, for the same reasons. And he was wrestling Otunga, a takes-himself-way-too-seriously jobber who is also a comedy act. What were they supposed to say? "Jerry, he just said 'Woo Woo Woo,' and you know that means somebody's about to get hurt!!!" Interesting that no one is complaining that Otunga wasn't sold seriously, only Ryder. If Ryder wants to be taken seriously, he needs to drop his current character and go back to developmental and start fresh. But don't blame the commentators for not taking seriously a guy who has built his character around not taking himself seriously.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 25, 2012 20:42:57 GMT -5
I thought it was appropriate. Zack is a comedy act -- his catchphrase is "Woo Woo Woo ... You Know It." He dresses like a goofball. He acts like a goofball. His character is a goofball. He got himself 'over' with an internet show that might as well be called "Hey, Look at Me: I'm a Goofball!!!" They don't take Santino seriously either, for the same reasons. And he was wrestling Otunga, a takes-himself-way-too-seriously jobber who is also a comedy act. What were they supposed to say? "Jerry, he just said 'Woo Woo Woo,' and you know that means somebody's about to get hurt!!!" Interesting that no one is complaining that Otunga wasn't sold seriously, only Ryder. If Ryder wants to be taken seriously, he needs to drop his current character and go back to developmental and start fresh. But don't blame the commentators for not taking seriously a guy who has built his character around not taking himself seriously. But they turned him into a goofball because of the internet show. His character was a lot different in ECW when he was a heel. Besides, commentators never buried comedy characters before. Akeem was feuding with the mega powers, they didn't say "look at the way this goof's dressed, he thinks he's a pimp" when the Godfather would come out. They didn't start pushing Saturn until they gave him moppy. Booker T didn't get a championship until they made him a comedy character. The only thing that compares is when they killed Storm by calling him boring, but that's anti-comedy. Ryder's like Christian in the sense that he's never going to get a decent push no matter how much the crowd likes him because for whatever reason, Vince doesn't.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 25, 2012 22:27:54 GMT -5
I thought it was appropriate. Zack is a comedy act -- his catchphrase is "Woo Woo Woo ... You Know It." He dresses like a goofball. He acts like a goofball. His character is a goofball. He got himself 'over' with an internet show that might as well be called "Hey, Look at Me: I'm a Goofball!!!" They don't take Santino seriously either, for the same reasons. And he was wrestling Otunga, a takes-himself-way-too-seriously jobber who is also a comedy act. What were they supposed to say? "Jerry, he just said 'Woo Woo Woo,' and you know that means somebody's about to get hurt!!!" Interesting that no one is complaining that Otunga wasn't sold seriously, only Ryder. If Ryder wants to be taken seriously, he needs to drop his current character and go back to developmental and start fresh. But don't blame the commentators for not taking seriously a guy who has built his character around not taking himself seriously. But they turned him into a goofball because of the internet show. His character was a lot different in ECW when he was a heel. Besides, commentators never buried comedy characters before. Akeem was feuding with the mega powers, they didn't say "look at the way this goof's dressed, he thinks he's a pimp" when the Godfather would come out. They didn't start pushing Saturn until they gave him moppy. Booker T didn't get a championship until they made him a comedy character. The only thing that compares is when they killed Storm by calling him boring, but that's anti-comedy. Ryder's like Christian in the sense that he's never going to get a decent push no matter how much the crowd likes him because for whatever reason, Vince doesn't. Santino and Ryder have more in common with comedy characters/jobbers like the Bushwhackers than Akeem or The Godfather.
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Dec 25, 2012 23:41:57 GMT -5
I'm sure the commentary didn't suk as bad as the match. I fast forwarded it so who cares.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 26, 2012 0:47:55 GMT -5
I'm sure the commentary didn't suk as bad as the match. I fast forwarded it so who cares. The match was solid. Perhaps if you hadn't skipped past it you might have cared.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 26, 2012 0:57:11 GMT -5
I'm sure the commentary didn't suk as bad as the match. I fast forwarded it so who cares. You must know a lot about the match you DIDN'T watch to know it suked
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 1:10:07 GMT -5
I'm sure the commentary didn't suk as bad as the match. I fast forwarded it so who cares. You must know a lot about the match you DIDN'T watch to know it sukedIt's a pretty safe assumption to make if he usually feels the same way about the Ryder and/or Otunga matches he does see.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 26, 2012 1:14:00 GMT -5
You must know a lot about the match you DIDN'T watch to know it sukedIt's a pretty safe assumption to make if he usually feels the same way about the Ryder and/or Otunga matches he does see. I'm not a fan of Ryder or Otunga either, but they both still manage to put on a decent match once in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 1:28:32 GMT -5
It's a pretty safe assumption to make if he usually feels the same way about the Ryder and/or Otunga matches he does see. I'm not a fan of Ryder or Otunga either, but they both still manage to put on a decent match once in a while. Well, if you think some wrestler(s) are constantly bad, you have a decision to make. Keep giving them chances or give up. Of course, that leads to this: "These guys suck." "So why do you keep watching their matches? Isn't that just a waste of your time?" "These guys suck, so I didn't watch their recent match. I might just skip their segments in the near future." "Then you don't have the right to comment at all."
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