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Post by Dub H on Dec 26, 2012 2:25:30 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Ryder or Otunga either, but they both still manage to put on a decent match once in a while. Well, if you think some wrestler(s) are constantly bad, you have a decision to make. Keep giving them chances or give up. Of course, that leads to this: "These guys suck." "So why do you keep watching their matches? Isn't that just a waste of your time?" "These guys suck, so I didn't watch their recent match. I might just skip their segments in the near future." "Then you don't have the right to comment at all." He can comment on that,he can comment he is no interested in these and don't like then.Hell i didn't watch RAW last night so i don't even know if its right. But he can't say if the match was good or not if he didn't watch it,that's a fact.He can't know if it was good or not.He can not like the guys,but can't know if the match was good. Anyway,tha wasn't even the topic of the thread,i am pretty sure i got flame baited
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Dec 26, 2012 5:10:30 GMT -5
I like Otunga, definitely some potential there. Ryder, at this point, should just go to TNA and join Aces and 8's and then Mike Tenay can say this guy used to date a girl up north until Superman took her away.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 26, 2012 5:25:30 GMT -5
The match was actually pretty solid, considering BOTH Otunga and Ryder's reputations for not being very good workers.
And as stated earlier, Ryder managed to pick up a mic and not blow ass. He's not gonna be a guy who cuts 15-20 minute monologue at the beginning of the show, but keep his talking short and sweet, and he'll thrive.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 26, 2012 21:08:28 GMT -5
I thought it was appropriate. Zack is a comedy act -- his catchphrase is "Woo Woo Woo ... You Know It." He dresses like a goofball. He acts like a goofball. His character is a goofball. He got himself 'over' with an internet show that might as well be called "Hey, Look at Me: I'm a Goofball!!!" They don't take Santino seriously either, for the same reasons. And he was wrestling Otunga, a takes-himself-way-too-seriously jobber who is also a comedy act. What were they supposed to say? "Jerry, he just said 'Woo Woo Woo,' and you know that means somebody's about to get hurt!!!" Interesting that no one is complaining that Otunga wasn't sold seriously, only Ryder. If Ryder wants to be taken seriously, he needs to drop his current character and go back to developmental and start fresh. But don't blame the commentators for not taking seriously a guy who has built his character around not taking himself seriously. But they turned him into a goofball because of the internet show. His character was a lot different in ECW when he was a heel. Besides, commentators never buried comedy characters before. Akeem was feuding with the mega powers, they didn't say "look at the way this goof's dressed, he thinks he's a pimp" when the Godfather would come out. They didn't start pushing Saturn until they gave him moppy. Booker T didn't get a championship until they made him a comedy character. The only thing that compares is when they killed Storm by calling him boring, but that's anti-comedy. Ryder's like Christian in the sense that he's never going to get a decent push no matter how much the crowd likes him because for whatever reason, Vince doesn't. a) My understanding is the internet show, and the goofy character, was something Zack came up with -- so it isn't that 'they' turned him into a goofy character so much as he turned himself into one. The upside of the internet show is it got him exposure and thus more TV time. The downside is it cast him as a goofball. b) Regardless of who's idea it was, the match i question came long after the internet show established his character as a goofball, so it wouldn't have made much sense for the commentators to treat him as if his character wasn't a goofball. The commentary was appropriate for the match between the two guys -- wouldn't have made much sense to treat it as if it was Undertaker-Cena, now would it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 21:31:00 GMT -5
Well, if you think some wrestler(s) are constantly bad, you have a decision to make. Keep giving them chances or give up. Of course, that leads to this: "These guys suck." "So why do you keep watching their matches? Isn't that just a waste of your time?" "These guys suck, so I didn't watch their recent match. I might just skip their segments in the near future." "Then you don't have the right to comment at all." He can comment on that,he can comment he is no interested in these and don't like then.Hell i didn't watch RAW last night so i don't even know if its right. But he can't say if the match was good or not if he didn't watch it,that's a fact.He can't know if it was good or not.He can not like the guys,but can't know if the match was good. I'm talking about making assumptions based on history. If you think 10 straight episodes of a TV show you watch sucked, it's perfectly reasonable to skip the next one and assume that you wouldn't have liked it because unless that 11th show is just completely, drastically different from the previous 10, your assumption is probably right. Assumption based on history seems more reasonable to me than doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 26, 2012 23:45:51 GMT -5
The match was actually pretty solid, considering BOTH Otunga and Ryder's reputations for not being very good workers. And as stated earlier, Ryder managed to pick up a mic and not blow ass. He's not gonna be a guy who cuts 15-20 minute monologue at the beginning of the show, but keep his talking short and sweet, and he'll thrive. I'm of opinion that he can cut 15-20 minute monologues, he just needs to increase his number of catchphrases to a ridiculous level. Like maybe he should go back to his heel days and start using FIST. PUMP. YOUR FACE BRO. again. He could get the crowd to chant that! I mean, Ryder could totally work as a catchphrase machine douchebag promo dude. Picture it: [Interrupts heel] "Hey now, I know that's not true bro. I know it, those people know it, and guess what? WOO WOO WOO!" [Crowd chants along] "YOU KNOW IT! But if you insist on talking trash...I got only one thing to say to ya. ARE. YOU. SERIOUS. BRO?" [Crowd chants along] "Well if that's the case, I guess I'll FIST. PUMP. YOUR FACE. BRO." [Crowd chants] Hmm that wouldn't be 20 minutes, but he can get it up to 5 minutes!
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 27, 2012 14:09:35 GMT -5
But they turned him into a goofball because of the internet show. His character was a lot different in ECW when he was a heel. Besides, commentators never buried comedy characters before. Akeem was feuding with the mega powers, they didn't say "look at the way this goof's dressed, he thinks he's a pimp" when the Godfather would come out. They didn't start pushing Saturn until they gave him moppy. Booker T didn't get a championship until they made him a comedy character. The only thing that compares is when they killed Storm by calling him boring, but that's anti-comedy. Ryder's like Christian in the sense that he's never going to get a decent push no matter how much the crowd likes him because for whatever reason, Vince doesn't. a) My understanding is the internet show, and the goofy character, was something Zack came up with -- so it isn't that 'they' turned him into a goofy character so much as he turned himself into one. The upside of the internet show is it got him exposure and thus more TV time. The downside is it cast him as a goofball. b) Regardless of who's idea it was, the match i question came long after the internet show established his character as a goofball, so it wouldn't have made much sense for the commentators to treat him as if his character wasn't a goofball. The commentary was appropriate for the match between the two guys -- wouldn't have made much sense to treat it as if it was Undertaker-Cena, now would it? A. I never watched his net show. I'm only talking about his time on ECW when I became a fan. He was goofy even then sure, but he went from cocky goof to lovable loser to just loser. Lawler and Cole just bury him now. B. You're Taker/Taker comment is absurd straw manning. Commentary should root for the goofball face because he's an underdog but they both bury him. Big difference.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 27, 2012 19:53:23 GMT -5
a) My understanding is the internet show, and the goofy character, was something Zack came up with -- so it isn't that 'they' turned him into a goofy character so much as he turned himself into one. The upside of the internet show is it got him exposure and thus more TV time. The downside is it cast him as a goofball. b) Regardless of who's idea it was, the match i question came long after the internet show established his character as a goofball, so it wouldn't have made much sense for the commentators to treat him as if his character wasn't a goofball. The commentary was appropriate for the match between the two guys -- wouldn't have made much sense to treat it as if it was Undertaker-Cena, now would it? A. I never watched his net show. I'm only talking about his time on ECW when I became a fan. He was goofy even then sure, but he went from cocky goof to lovable loser to just loser. Lawler and Cole just bury him now. B. You're Taker/Taker comment is absurd straw manning. Commentary should root for the goofball face because he's an underdog but they both bury him. Big difference. They actually got over his finisher -- I guess it's his finisher -- and that's not the easiest thing to do with a move called the "Broski Boot." The commentators are supposed to go into comedy mode on a comedy match between two comedy characters. Whatever he was or wasn't on ECW has no bearing on the commentary of a current match. They do the same thing with 3MB -- and Drew was treated as a serious rising contender much more recently than Zack was a semi-serious contender on a show that's been off the air for nearly 3 years -- and Santino. Even when Santino was IC champion, the commentators didn't treat him like the next coming of the Macho Man; they treated him like a comedy character, which is what he was.
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