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Post by Epidomy on Dec 26, 2012 10:13:08 GMT -5
I'm not sexist or anything, don't get me wrong, I love watching the diva's but...I think they're not competing well compared to the Male Superstars. I was watching Judgement day I think, I can't remember...anyway, I was watching a match with Michelle McCool and Maryse, As I said I can't remember very well. I was looking at the crowd, not me Nor the fans were getting into it. o chants, hardly any Cheers, boo's anything.I also watched RAW In May and was thinking the same tihng.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 26, 2012 10:17:01 GMT -5
Well that's what happens with a species in starvation. (I mean that both figuratively and literally )
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 26, 2012 10:17:12 GMT -5
I think there's a strong argument to be made that women have a bigger presence in WWE than they have in a long time, if not ever. The third most featured talent this year was a woman, AJ. The second most featured woman, Eve, was more prominently featured than most of the male talent. It is true, though, that they haven't quite found a way to make this elevate the Diva's division itself into something that more of the fans care about.
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Post by Epidomy on Dec 26, 2012 10:23:19 GMT -5
I think there's a strong argument to be made that women have a bigger presence in WWE than they have in a long time, if not ever. The third most featured talent this year was a woman, AJ. The second most featured woman, Eve, was more prominently featured than most of the male talent. It is true, though, that they haven't quite found a way to make this elevate the Diva's division itself into something that more of the fans care about. Yes, Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 10:23:56 GMT -5
I think there's a strong argument to be made that women have a bigger presence in WWE than they have in a long time, if not ever. The third most featured talent this year was a woman, AJ. The second most featured woman, Eve, was more prominently featured than most of the male talent. It is true, though, that they haven't quite found a way to make this elevate the Diva's division itself into something that more of the fans care about. The problem is that there's a massive gap between the top female talent and the rest of them. You have AJ and Eve who have been used predominantly, then you have a MASSIVE drop-off to the rest of the women such as Alicia Fox, Layla, Natalya etc. who get no mic time and are only allowed in three minute matches once a fortnight. Then of course you have Tamina/Rosa/Aksana who could be released tomorrow and nobody would bat an eyelid.
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Post by Epidomy on Dec 26, 2012 10:27:58 GMT -5
I think there's a strong argument to be made that women have a bigger presence in WWE than they have in a long time, if not ever. The third most featured talent this year was a woman, AJ. The second most featured woman, Eve, was more prominently featured than most of the male talent. It is true, though, that they haven't quite found a way to make this elevate the Diva's division itself into something that more of the fans care about. The problem is that there's a massive gap between the top female talent and the rest of them. You have AJ and Eve who have been used predominantly, then you have a MASSIVE drop-off to the rest of the women such as Alicia Fox, Layla, Natalya etc. who get no mic time and are only allowed in three minute matches once a fortnight. Then of course you have Tamina/Rosa/Aksana who could be released tomorrow and nobody would bat an eyelid. Even if they did a Return of let's say Lita or Chyna, it wouldn't be that Impressive, according to the fans.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 26, 2012 10:45:39 GMT -5
Without trying to come off like a jackass, but you've only just noticed this? Live crowds haven't cared one iota about the Divas since Mickie James was around, and even then she was the only one they really cared two craps about. Occasionally the crowd show some interest in a Divas match, but you can probably count the number of those per year on one hand.
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Post by Epidomy on Dec 26, 2012 10:47:40 GMT -5
Without trying to come off like a jackass, but you've only just noticed this? Live crowds haven't cared one iota about the Divas since Mickie James was around, and even then she was the only one they really cared two craps about. Occasionally the crowd show some interest in a Divas match, but you can probably count the number of those per year on one hand. I had the feeling in 2009-2010 Early this year was when I was confirming it. then Last week I just knew. I am really slow...
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Post by mike2789 on Dec 26, 2012 10:58:01 GMT -5
I feel like all the divas are the same. Sure AJ was at one point an interesting character (which was destroyed by her role as GM. They really could of taken that in a crazy direction but that is another topic). Eve is okay, I like her character because she is around and is slowly evolving even though last year Eve was better. Otherwise all the divas are very similar. They each lack a good character/look
For instance looking back around the time Lita and Trish left the division had a more interesting feel. We had Trish Stratus who was a fan favorite and great wrestler, kind of old school in a way. Lita, was the fun girl who had a great moveset and unique look.
Mickie James was able to work the mic and her stalking Trish character was great and she did evolve after that. Had a unique look.
Victoria, by far my favorite diva, when she was psycho was fantastic. I loved it.
Of course there was Torrie Wilson who Alicia Fox basically is now but better.
Layla is okay, but I just like looking at her. Otherwise, she doesn't interest me anymore.
They need to forget looks for the most part and find a way to bring in unique divas. I will never forget LUNA, JACKIE or Chyna because of their look. Same with Trish and Lita (Trish because I was only 13 when she debuted)
I want to see some freaky looking characters back
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Dec 26, 2012 11:11:04 GMT -5
I think LayCool did a ton of damage to the division, along with Kelly Kelly. Both of them sucked every bit of aggressiveness and volatility out of the division. It's been a long time since any of the diva's really felt like they were at war with each other. Kaitlyn and Eve are coming close right now, but it's got to go somewhere.
It doesn't help that right now Eve has this gimmick of acting like a smiley-barbie face, but is really a heel deep down. Except they only rarely show that heel side, so mostly she's turned into what she started out mocking.
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Post by hitch on Dec 26, 2012 11:11:11 GMT -5
I think it's generous in the extreme to say their existence has been due to anything other than sexual gratification of a teenage audience. And possibly because they put out for the producer. Similar to why Ryan Seacrest held the job down on American Idol.
The gulf between what WWE women's wrestling IS and what those who are called 'sexist' by those who think it is something is - is vast. Truth now is that seeing a mildly attractive body in a bikini doesn't do much in the internet age, thus interest in that is dying out.
I also think women's sports, in many areas, struggles to hold interest. Not all, but a lot. It's not sexist not to like women's NBA or to prefer a male to play the lead in an action movie. It's just preference.
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Post by bob on Dec 26, 2012 11:18:26 GMT -5
LayCool steamrolled the division and it still hasn't fully recovered since.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 26, 2012 11:34:14 GMT -5
it's pretty bad right now but I distinctly recall that when the Attitude era was at its height the only divas they had were Sable, Debra and.... uh... Luna?
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Post by gl83 on Dec 26, 2012 11:52:49 GMT -5
it's pretty bad right now but I distinctly recall that when the Attitude era was at its height the only divas they had were Sable, Debra and.... uh... Luna? They also had Tori, Ivory and Jacqueline. So it wasn't all that bad. Try looking at the Divas division in mid-2005, where you had Trish Stratus and Victoria as the only solid workers along with Torrie Wilson, Dawn Marie, Stacy Keibler and a bunch of Diva Search girls(Michelle McCool, Candice Michelle, Christy Hemme, Maria, etc.). While girls like Gail Kim, Jazz, Nidia and Molly Holly either were released or left WWE(in Molly's case). Then there was Lita being sidelined for over a year with a torn ACL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 12:00:26 GMT -5
........to be fair, I believe this is regards to the *division* dying out. Yes?
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Dec 26, 2012 12:02:11 GMT -5
........to be fair, I believe this is regards to the *division* dying out. Yes? No, they all have lupus.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Dec 26, 2012 12:07:45 GMT -5
They've been dying out ever since Trish Stratus & Lita retired in 2006. I think that's when WWE just said the hell with it and quit paying much attention to it.
The crowds don't care because WWE don't care enough to do anything to grab their attention. There hasn't been a diva who fans could get behind and root for since Trish, Lita Mickie and Melina either retired or got canned.
They could have had something with AJ to bring some interest back in the division (that's where it kinda looked where it was going). Then they just had to put her into a thing with Cena...and of course the eventual heel turn that pretty much undid months of trying to get the fans behind her.
Unless they either bring in someone new or do something with an existing one then they probably will continue to flounder.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 26, 2012 12:29:21 GMT -5
LayCool steamrolled the division and it still hasn't fully recovered since. And the thing was is that they were actually good. Really good. I mean no one cared, but they were about as over as Eve is now. The problem was that NO ONE beat them. No one was built up to their level, and if they were they were turned heel, released, or beaten. This went on for 2 and a half years. There was no Batista to sleigh their Reign Of Terror like he did Triple H's, there was no payoff other than a Loser Leaves Smackdown WWE Match between LAYCOOL THEMSELVES. The division was worse off because of writers hard on for Taker's wife (though she did improve a lot) and they're paying for it right now.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 26, 2012 12:39:20 GMT -5
LayCool steamrolled the division and it still hasn't fully recovered since. And the thing was is that they were actually good. Really good. I mean no one cared, but they were about as over as Eve is now. The problem was that NO ONE beat them. No one was built up to their level, and if they were they were turned heel, released, or beaten. This went on for 2 and a half years. There was no Batista to sleigh their Reign Of Terror like he did Triple H's, there was no payoff other than a Loser Leaves Smackdown WWE Match between LAYCOOL THEMSELVES. The division was worse off because of writers hard on for Taker's wife (though she did improve a lot) and they're paying for it right now. To be fair they did have Kharma all set up to demolish the boths of them until, yknow, stuff happened. That's nobody's fault. In ring, Laycool were always being taken apart left and right, managing to hang on due to some nonsense or other. Michelle lost the belt to Mickie at the Royal Rumble in 2010 in like 30 seconds. They had to basically resort to a Freebirds thing and the influence of Vick E Guerrero to be at all effective, and even then they were often suffering the bad end of a 1 on 2 beatdown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 12:44:16 GMT -5
And the thing was is that they were actually good. Really good. I mean no one cared, but they were about as over as Eve is now. The problem was that NO ONE beat them. No one was built up to their level, and if they were they were turned heel, released, or beaten. This went on for 2 and a half years. There was no Batista to sleigh their Reign Of Terror like he did Triple H's, there was no payoff other than a Loser Leaves Smackdown WWE Match between LAYCOOL THEMSELVES. The division was worse off because of writers hard on for Taker's wife (though she did improve a lot) and they're paying for it right now. To be fair they did have Kharma all set up to demolish the boths of them until, yknow, stuff happened. That's nobody's fault. In ring, Laycool were always being taken apart left and right, managing to hang on due to some nonsense or other. They didn't have Kharma demolish Laycool because creative wanted to do something else. If they wanted Kharma vs. Laycool, they could have debuted her sooner and done it.
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