Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 27, 2012 16:10:33 GMT -5
ABC Anybody But CM Punk.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Dec 27, 2012 16:21:46 GMT -5
If all you got from Rock in regards to the Cena feud was Fruity Pebbles then I feel for you. Rock wasn't at his best last time around but he had moments where he was serious and wasn't going overboard on the jokes. Like the last promo before the match where he and Cena had the back and forth in what was arguably the best back and forth promo between the two. And def the best current Rock promo in terms of seriousness and substance. Also, I can understand no one liking Rock's usual schtick but he has had his share of promos that didn't involve juvenile insults, that didn't involve a ton of shouting, and had good substance. Such as his promo before facing Austin at Manina XIX. He could change it up and do things differently when the time came. Just that he didn't do it week after week and thus people got lost into what he usually did. You either loved it or you hate it but the guy is far from someone who sucks. Some of the all time greats on the stick would tend to agree with this as well. I can't remember the Rock/Cena promo you mean but to be honest, by that point I was bored with the whole feud and might not have been paying attention. I can't remember any Rock promo that compares to some of Austin's greats or Foley's promo. Even Austin's less memorable promos all have more substance, more emotion and more meaning than Rock's catchphrase spewing fests. Honestly, I can't recall a single, memorable Rock promo that had any substance to them. It's just crappy insults and throwing catchphrases. Hell, Miz's promo that started in the locker room where he talked all the way through the arena and to the ring was much better than anything The Rock has ever come up with. He had more substance, emotion, passion and meaning in that 5 minute promo than anything The Rock has come out with. I still maintain he isn't a great promo guy. The audience listens, but is that out of interest in the Rock, or because of past nostalgia because they're pleased to see their childhood favourite again? Please tell me this is an early April fools joke post because im in stitches.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 27, 2012 17:07:29 GMT -5
Saying this as a fan, but The Rock ISN'T a great promo guy at all. He just has a godlike charisma to make up for it. In order to be a good promo guy, you need charisma. You can't separate the two, or claim that it can make up for anything, because they go hand-in-hand with each other. Rock's an excellent promo because through the power of words alone he can sell an angle or a match. Rock's promo abilities are his main selling point and a big reason why he's as well-received as he is.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 27, 2012 17:11:05 GMT -5
I still maintain he isn't a great promo guy. The audience listens, but is that out of interest in the Rock, or because of past nostalgia because they're pleased to see their childhood favourite again? But the audience listened to Rock in the past, too. Enough that from his return onwards WWE has come to realize that Rock's best attributes are on through his words and use every opportunity they get to stick a microphone in his hands, because that's what his fans want to hear. His promos. There's no way he can't be considered a good promo guy, even if you don't like what he has to say. Not to mention that after two years of on-off appearances, whatever nostalgic effect Rock had upon his return would have had to have gone away by now.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Dec 27, 2012 18:01:48 GMT -5
#Knees2Faces
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 27, 2012 18:19:41 GMT -5
In order to be a good promo guy, you need charisma. You can't separate the two, or claim that it can make up for anything, because they go hand-in-hand with each other. Rock's an excellent promo because through the power of words alone he can sell an angle or a match. Rock's promo abilities are his main selling point and a big reason why he's as well-received as he is. I disagree. Having charisma doesn't mean you're a good promo guy. Jeff Hardy had plenty of charisma yet his promos sucked. Likewise Kofi Kingston has charisma but can't cut a promo to save his life. But the audience listened to Rock in the past, too. Enough that from his return onwards WWE has come to realize that Rock's best attributes are on through his words and use every opportunity they get to stick a microphone in his hands, because that's what his fans want to hear. His promos. There's no way he can't be considered a good promo guy, even if you don't like what he has to say. Not to mention that after two years of on-off appearances, whatever nostalgic effect Rock had upon his return would have had to have gone away by now. Yes but look at the audience in the past. Many (not all) of the people cheering Rock when he returns now, are the same people who were kids when he was at the height of his popularity, when lame jokes and spewing mindless catchphrases was appealing, hence his popularity at the time. He had the same kiddy/early teens fanbase that Cena has now. Those fans grow up and give their childhood favourite a nostalgia pop today. Likewise the kids who cheer Cena today will mark out in 10 years time when he appears again and they're in their 20s. So what if he has had on-off appearances for the past couple of years? The nostalgia for his fans from the attitude era is still there. Like how when Roddy Piper appears he still gets a nostalgia pop despite appearing on-off for years now... I mean really, the fans can't be popping because they actually find Hot Rod entertaining. Rock had charisma, I won't deny that. But he wasn't a great promo guy. The best Rock promo is nowhere near as good as even the fifth best Austin, HBK, Raven or Foley promo. He just has no substance to whatever he's saying yet for some reason spewing catchphrases and shouting a lot is considered to be cutting a good promo?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 18:32:53 GMT -5
One part of me: let Punk retain, put a fresh face over big time at 'Mania.
The other part of me, who's watched 'rasslin since 2000: ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!
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Post by Big L on Dec 27, 2012 18:45:33 GMT -5
Team Bring It
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Post by Arrow on Dec 27, 2012 19:04:06 GMT -5
I disagree. Having charisma doesn't mean you're a good promo guy. Jeff Hardy had plenty of charisma yet his promos sucked. Likewise Kofi Kingston has charisma but can't cut a promo to save his life. I don't understand this. If you don't have charisma, fans won't care what you have to say. And then, no matter what you say or how you say it, your promo is a failure. You need charisma for a successful promo, because a promo is supposed to get fans interested in what you do. The Rock did that better than most people, so much so that WWE doesn't want to sell him without promising the fans that he'll get the opportunity to speak. I also think you're underrating Jeff Hardy's abilities on the mic. He's by no means amazing, but he gets the most important part of delivering promos - which is to get fans to care about you and what you do. And for that you need charisma. Why not? Roddy Piper is a legend with years of experience in successfully entertaining fans. Just because you or I don't find him that entertaining doesn't mean that no one else can't. It's a part of his character and what people expect from him, so yes, that can be considered a good promo as long as it gets people hyped. Just because Rock's not cutting the kind of promos Austin is doesn't make him bad, it makes him different. It's who he is, the electrifying guy who cracks jokes and says catchphrases, and it's why people came to love Rock in the first place. You don't have to like him or what he says, but understand that it wouldn't work if he wasn't so good at what he does. Substance is also a matter entirely of the angle that you're doing. Rock's promos to guys like Austin, Foley, HHH, and Cena (in their last promo on the go-home show to WrestleMania) were full of substance where he actually had something to say besides joking around. In contrast, many of Austin's promos were just as shallow as Rock's. It all depends on the storyline you're involved in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 19:24:09 GMT -5
Some people lack the ability to realize something is good without enjoying it personally. Rock's promo style isn't my bag, but he's a GREAT promo guy. Saying he's not is like saying Miles Davis wasn't a great trumpeter.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 27, 2012 19:38:26 GMT -5
For the most superficial, silliest of reasons: I'm in Team Bring It.
A few weeks back, Rock and I had a brief Twitter conversation where-in The Great One even referred to me as "bud". Obviously this means we're great pals now, and so I'm rooting for my bud to win the title.
Sorry Punker, I love ya, but my good friend DJ is comin' fo' yer belt.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Dec 27, 2012 22:52:35 GMT -5
I can't recall a single, memorable Rock promo that had any substance to them. It's just crappy insults and throwing catchphrases. Not saying you have to like him at all but its pretty off that you just flat out say he sucks and isnt great because apparently all he does to you is shout, throw insults and have catchphrases. Like I said, I understand you not liking his usual shtick that involved him doing all that stuff but it has been seen in the past that he has done promos that were not catchphrase/insult fests. What passes of as memorable promo is purely up to the mind of those taking it in but Rock has had his share of different promos. I mentioned the promo he cut on Austin before his match at Mania XIX. That promo was a perfect example of Rock showing true emotion, having substance, and it wasnt backed by a tons of catchphrases. At all. You felt his passion and desire to beat Austin. He mentions that it consumed him and nothing else mattered. Not saying that its the best thing ever, but it showcases that Rock can turn the tide when he needed to. www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6geS4NDNRAIts easy for you and any others who think like you to overlook Rock promos in this matter because you already have it built in your mind that all he does and is capable of his shout/catchphrase/insult routine but thats not the case. I wish Rock had did more promos like the one I posted. I hope to see it with his feud with Punk & the title since its going to be alot more serious than Rock/Cena. But I also understand he made a career out of his routine and thats what the majority of his fans expects of him. Just how it is.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2012 22:54:00 GMT -5
Some people lack the ability to realize something is good without enjoying it personally. Rock's promo style isn't my bag, but he's a GREAT promo guy. Saying he's not is like saying Miles Davis wasn't a great trumpeter. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by percymania on Dec 27, 2012 23:14:42 GMT -5
I'm cheering for CM Punk. BEST IN THE WORLD!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 27, 2012 23:29:21 GMT -5
One part of me: let Punk retain, put a fresh face over big time at 'Mania. The other part of me, who's watched 'rasslin since 2000: ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY! Ditto. And the ROCKY side of me is eeking out a slim lead. Also: Some people lack the ability to realize something is good without enjoying it personally.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 27, 2012 23:44:18 GMT -5
Some people lack the ability to realize something is good without enjoying it personally. It's the earmark of the insecure. They say it, because in their minds, they *have* to be correct, or their strange little house of cards belief system would have no merit. Some people just have that flawed, arrogant way of thinking. For example, my grandmother hates Science Fiction, but rather than just saying it isn't her cup of tea, she has the approach of: "it's just silly." They don't realize that A) they're opinion/judgment doesn't really matter and won't change a thing; and B) often, their views on the whole will never be validated by the masses and are in fact statistically insignificant.
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 28, 2012 0:21:03 GMT -5
Punk, Mostly because I was hoping Rock would be done with it after Mania last year(This was before he won and as such, pretty much insta booked a rematch for this year). And CERTAINLY didn't want him anywhere near the title scene.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 28, 2012 0:48:03 GMT -5
Some people lack the ability to realize something is good without enjoying it personally. Rock's promo style isn't my bag, but he's a GREAT promo guy. Saying he's not is like saying Miles Davis wasn't a great trumpeter. Yeah, I was never a Rock fan. But I'll admit that he's one of the best promo guys in the history of pro wrestling.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Dec 28, 2012 2:00:39 GMT -5
Punk fan since the start, my inner mark doesn't need to think twice. BEST IN THE WORLD!
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 28, 2012 8:48:56 GMT -5
Punk, without question.
Now if this was Punk vs Austin, I'd have a more difficult time choosing.
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