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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 29, 2012 18:14:04 GMT -5
It's quite simple actually: Back prior to 2011, CM Punk was my favorite wrestler. I always enjoyed seeing him and he was always entertaining. Then that one promo came along. Since then, CM Punk's fanbase grew exponentially quickly and all of a sudden, CM Punk is liked by everyone. But that's not too big of a deal. It's when all of a sudden the guy has godlike status to the point where everyone worships the ground he walks on and apparently the guy can do no wrong is when I start getting annoyed. I still like the guy, but the extent that people are still defending him really gets on my nerves at times. Punk's done plenty of things that would warrant a "John Cena's a douche thread" as both a babyface and a heel but no one ever calls him out on it. I'm also sick of the whole "CM Punk sucks as a heel" thing going on nowadays because people seem to use it as a crutch to defend the guy. What exactly was so spectacular about his babyface character outside of the matches? What did he do on the mic that would warrant him never turning heel again? Because he's popular? So what? The guy ran out of heels to face and was already annoying as a face, I think the turn was justified and he's a lot more entertaining now. TLDR version: I like the guy, but people defend him way too much and hold him too high in their regards. So basically you stopped liking him when he became very popular? Thats pretty hipster of you.. You missed the whole "I like the guy" part at the end didn't you? I said I'm sick of hearing about how amazing the guy is and how he can't do any wrong when that's not the case. I'm also sick of how hypocritical people are when it comes to his character versus other people.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 29, 2012 18:36:15 GMT -5
So basically you stopped liking him when he became very popular? Thats pretty hipster of you.. You missed the whole "I like the guy" part at the end didn't you? I said I'm sick of hearing about how amazing the guy is and how he can't do any wrong when that's not the case. I'm also sick of how hypocritical people are when it comes to his character versus other people. Kind of a silly argument. Maybe people just like when Punk does something cause he makes it more entertaining then if Cena were to do it? What's wrong with some people thinking he can do no wrong? It's just an opinion. He gets plenty of criticism on here anyway.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 29, 2012 18:38:17 GMT -5
You missed the whole "I like the guy" part at the end didn't you? I said I'm sick of hearing about how amazing the guy is and how he can't do any wrong when that's not the case. I'm also sick of how hypocritical people are when it comes to his character versus other people. Kind of a silly argument. Maybe people just like when Punk does something cause he makes it more entertaining then if Cena were to do it? What's wrong with some people thinking he can do no wrong? It's just an opinion. He gets plenty of criticism on here anyway. Because there is at least one "John Cena's is a douche" thread like every 2 weeks when CM Punk did things just as bad, if not worse than him and never gets those kinds of complaints. It gets annoying.
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Post by Desi on Dec 29, 2012 18:42:25 GMT -5
I'm still a Punk fan, but this Heel run doesn't interest me in the slightest. He's become every other "YOU PEOPLE!~" cheap heat-generating Heel which doesn't do anything for me. Granted, he has to do this because he's still generating cheers, but still.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 29, 2012 18:44:56 GMT -5
I still love him and love watching him.Just hate that the WWE refuses to embrance Punk popularity
At this point it is hilarious the cheap heat.
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Post by BiloxiParish on Dec 29, 2012 18:45:26 GMT -5
Kind of a silly argument. Maybe people just like when Punk does something cause he makes it more entertaining then if Cena were to do it? What's wrong with some people thinking he can do no wrong? It's just an opinion. He gets plenty of criticism on here anyway. Because there is at least one "John Cena's is a douche" thread like every 2 weeks when CM Punk did things just as bad, if not worse than him and never gets those kinds of complaints. It gets annoying. Cena is a whole different beast man. I feel people generally respect John Cena and who is he, there is no denying he is the best performer the WWE has crafted since Hulk Hogan. They just want him to have a character change or to not be super Cena anymore.. The guy has been the face of the company for what 8 years now. CM Punk's reign of over 400 days is a polarizing thing indeed. Everybody talked about not hotshoting the title around, everybody wanted longer reigns, everybody wanted John Cena to not be the number one guy anymore. We have that now. It's fantastic. CM Punk is the perfect heel (even though it was forced). If CM Punk is drawing this much hate and heat then WWE and CM Punk is doing it right. You are supposed to hate the guy he is a heel. That shouldn't take away from the performer he is at all. Like I said previously I think he is the best heel since JBL.. Its perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 18:47:58 GMT -5
Kind of a silly argument. Maybe people just like when Punk does something cause he makes it more entertaining then if Cena were to do it? What's wrong with some people thinking he can do no wrong? It's just an opinion. He gets plenty of criticism on here anyway. Because there is at least one "John Cena's is a douche" thread like every 2 weeks when CM Punk did things just as bad, if not worse than him and never gets those kinds of complaints. It gets annoying. It just comes across as childish, like you don't like him because other people think he's cool. That's always the feeling I get when people let their dislike of a fandom ruin their perception of something. Yes I know you said "I like the guy" but you proceed to tell everyone that he's not as good as we think he is, which isn't your place at all to judge.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 29, 2012 18:49:35 GMT -5
Because there is at least one "John Cena's is a douche" thread like every 2 weeks when CM Punk did things just as bad, if not worse than him and never gets those kinds of complaints. It gets annoying. It just comes across as childish, like you don't like him because other people think he's cool. That's always the feeling I get when people let their dislike of a fandom ruin their perception of something. Yes I know you said "I like the guy" but you proceed to tell everyone that he's not as good as we think he is, which isn't your place at all to judge. I said I like the guy but that he's not this godlike figure he's treated as and it gets annoying seeing people worship the ground he walks on. It's not because people think he's cool, it's because people talked about him so much I'm sick of hearing about him at this point.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 29, 2012 19:23:03 GMT -5
Kind of a silly argument. Maybe people just like when Punk does something cause he makes it more entertaining then if Cena were to do it? What's wrong with some people thinking he can do no wrong? It's just an opinion. He gets plenty of criticism on here anyway. Because there is at least one "John Cena's is a douche" thread like every 2 weeks when CM Punk did things just as bad, if not worse than him and never gets those kinds of complaints. It gets annoying. Dude, It's John Cena. I mean we should all be used to that by now. He's hated by half the audience or more.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 29, 2012 19:25:54 GMT -5
It just comes across as childish, like you don't like him because other people think he's cool. That's always the feeling I get when people let their dislike of a fandom ruin their perception of something. Yes I know you said "I like the guy" but you proceed to tell everyone that he's not as good as we think he is, which isn't your place at all to judge. I said I like the guy but that he's not this godlike figure he's treated as and it gets annoying seeing people worship the ground he walks on. It's not because people think he's cool, it's because people talked about him so much I'm sick of hearing about him at this point. That started WAY before the pipe bomb promo, though.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 29, 2012 19:31:10 GMT -5
I said I like the guy but that he's not this godlike figure he's treated as and it gets annoying seeing people worship the ground he walks on. It's not because people think he's cool, it's because people talked about him so much I'm sick of hearing about him at this point. That started WAY before the pipe bomb promo, though. To me that was really rampant in the first half of 2010 or so, where so much as Punk saying 'boo' would spawn an appreciation thread or three, and has kind of died down especially once Punk started getting booked more prominently and he lost that underdog sheen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 29, 2012 19:55:23 GMT -5
That started WAY before the pipe bomb promo, though. To me that was really rampant in the first half of 2010 or so, where so much as Punk saying 'boo' would spawn an appreciation thread or three, and has kind of died down especially once Punk started getting booked more prominently and he lost that underdog sheen. I'd say more that it started back when he was still in RoH; the "Joe/Punk Shoot" interview. You want to talk about someone losing their sheen, you're talking Samoa Joe.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 29, 2012 19:59:03 GMT -5
To me that was really rampant in the first half of 2010 or so, where so much as Punk saying 'boo' would spawn an appreciation thread or three, and has kind of died down especially once Punk started getting booked more prominently and he lost that underdog sheen. I'd say more that it started back when he was still in RoH; the "Joe/Punk Shoot" interview. You want to talk about someone losing their sheen, you're talking Samoa Joe. We all wish Joe would lose his sheen, or something. But he just keeps gaining and gaining. STILL LOVE YA JOE I TIP EVERY TIME I GO TO YOUR CAR WASH WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2012 20:40:11 GMT -5
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - from Spiderman. :-D ... tell me that was intentional, or a reference I don't get... and you didn't somehow confuse Two-face from The Dark Knight with Spiderman.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 29, 2012 20:43:27 GMT -5
It's not Punk's fault, it's the booking that's lost me. I had no problem with him turning heel, I wanted to see where it went, but the heel turn hasn't been very interesting. What I CAN blame Punk for is what I consider to be mostly lacklustre promo work since turning heel (I don't think his heart's really in it) which is constantly overshadowed by Paul Heyman. I didn't really like him much as a babyface champ either, but at least he was properly over.
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Post by . on Dec 29, 2012 20:47:33 GMT -5
Some people on the internet really have a skewed perspective on what the majority opinion is. It's like they live within this little bubble that is the forums. They see a multipage hate thread about CM Punk and suddenly come to the conclusion that everyone's turned on him. But if they were to take a closer look, it'd only be about 5 posters arguing back and forth. And not only is this a small fraction of the people that post here, it's an even smaller fraction of all fans within the WWE. [glow=red,2,300] ^THIS!!!!^[/glow] Seriously. Can a mod please pin this post forever? I'm not being sarcastic either, Iv'e been saying the same thing forever.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Dec 29, 2012 20:55:24 GMT -5
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - from Spiderman. :-D Nonsense! Thats from The Dark Knight!
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Post by Celgress on Dec 29, 2012 21:44:42 GMT -5
I was never a fan, original Punk hater here folks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 21:54:42 GMT -5
I get bored with anyone once they have super long reigns.
I like CM Punk but I think I've seen about all there is to see of him at this point, heel wise.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Dec 29, 2012 22:24:29 GMT -5
What does the OP want? Everyone to have the same opinion? Okay then, CM Punk is awesome and nothing can ever change that. Hooray! Let's keep him as champion forever.
The OP should post a definitive list of who we are to like and dislike from now on, just so we're all singing from the same hymn sheet.
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