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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 13, 2013 20:01:46 GMT -5
I believe she was, but now the job is vacant. because the superhero community needed another person galivanting around in a batsuit more than they needed the greatest hacker and information broker in the world. even if she can walk, Oracle's still far more useful than Batgirl.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 13, 2013 20:05:49 GMT -5
Yeah, the idea was that Barbara was Oracle while she was recovering from the incident. Once she could walk, she donned the cape and cowl again.
Honestly, I'm not heartbroken over the loss of Oracle, even if I liked the persona and the idea behind it. It's still the same character, with the same set of skills at the end of the day. It'd be like the fans that got all butt hurt over Dick ditching the Nightwing persona to be Batman, which I loved and sorely miss.
What I don't like is them trying to ignore her having those skills and focusing on the Detective/Crime Fighter side of it. I think it would've been more acceptable if they played up both sides, giving off the impression she's now the best of both worlds.
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Post by Michael Coello on Feb 13, 2013 20:12:05 GMT -5
No one likes Oracle, though. Gotham is more an Ubuntu city.
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Post by H-Virus on Feb 13, 2013 22:05:02 GMT -5
Wait, I thought the official word on Barbara's recovery was that she had surgery at some hospital in Africa. Not that that's any better, but that is what I seem to remember... And she's being written like a dumbass teenager too. Gail needs to step up her s***. I'm not seeing the "God sent writer" you guys on here keep clamoring about. Honestly, I sometimes have to wonder how much Gail still cares about DC these days. Since the reboot they've gotten rid of Secret 6 (best series of the last 10 years, IMO), kicked her off of Birds of Prey, won't allow her to use several characters that she either created or vastly improved upon (Scandal Savage, Catman, Savant, etc), stuck her with one of the shittiest and most forgettable New 52 titles in Firestorm, and finally gave her one character that she loves to write, except that she has to write her the way the boss wants instead of the way she's used to. I know she's a professional and all, but you'd think that pretty much anyone would get a little fed up with all of that. Really though, if you want Gail at her best, read her Birds of Prey or Secret 6 runs. They completely blow away everything she's written post-reboot. Batman 17.... {Spoiler}That has to be the biggest cop out ending in recent history. {Spoiler}Every thing in that was a big disappointment. DC's hyping it up like some big status quo changer but all it did was break up the batfamily for however long. No one even died.
oh and Ha. {Spoiler}I remember saying way back when the Death of the Family arc first started that it was only going to be a metaphorical death as opposed to a literal one. Glad I decided to wait for the TPB. Still not sure if I'm going to bother with it.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Feb 13, 2013 23:25:37 GMT -5
Was I the only one that enjoyed Death of the the Family?
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Feb 14, 2013 0:12:18 GMT -5
I enjoyed it but the ending on top of things Snyder has said point to it being meedled with by editorial hard.
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Post by Alucard on Feb 14, 2013 0:32:44 GMT -5
Picked up Secret Avengers #1 (reboot) today. {Spoiler}It sucked.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Feb 14, 2013 1:28:50 GMT -5
I could have a soft spot for DotF because it brought me back around to following comics after I quit for a while.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 14, 2013 4:11:13 GMT -5
I liked it, I see why others hate it, and I feel like it doesn't quite live up to the rest of the story, but it's a solid ending. It's just that I was hoping for a great ending to a great story, and so it weakens the strength of the overall story. I did really like though... {Spoiler}When Joker freaked out over Batman's bluff about knowing who he is.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 14, 2013 7:07:12 GMT -5
I liked it, I see why others hate it, and I feel like it doesn't quite live up to the rest of the story, but it's a solid ending. It's just that I was hoping for a great ending to a great story, and so it weakens the strength of the overall story. I did really like though... {Spoiler}When Joker freaked out over Batman's bluff about knowing who he is. I agree. It was a tremendous build-up and a decent ending. But definitely worth reading, issue #15 was one of the best single issues of a comic I've read in awhile.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 14, 2013 8:35:34 GMT -5
so how long before Joker stops running around with his severed/re-attached face? it just seems like a needlessly silly development that you could've told the story without.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 14, 2013 8:59:43 GMT -5
Well, by all accounts that was the DC's call that Scott & co. had to run with.
So, it'll probably quietly phase out, like all of the other changes the new 52 have done. If not, I doubt anyone's going to do as good of a job with it as Snyder and co. have, with it slowly rotting and curling over the course of this story.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 14, 2013 9:06:26 GMT -5
with that in mind, how many of the changes made in the new 52 actually stuck? it seems like a lot of the changes that happened are either being undone or made irrelevant. so what do you guys think is actually sticking around?
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 14, 2013 9:12:28 GMT -5
with that in mind, how many of the changes made in the new 52 actually stuck? it seems like a lot of the changes that happened are either being undone or made irrelevant. so what do you guys think is actually sticking around? Not a big comic reader...but it seems some of the costume changes are sticking around at the very least. Including the Superman costume change.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 14, 2013 10:04:51 GMT -5
reading Marvel's solicits for May: -looks like Age of Ultron's going to have tie-ins but they won't be interfering with any other book. nice to see Marvel let us ignore the crossover for once. -Greg Land's being replaced on Iron Man by Dale Eaglesham. that's like trading a bag of dog shit for a million bucks. -Deadpool vs. a blatant parody of Aquaman. should be funny. -Michelinie and Layton are getting together for a new Iron man mini... yet another "sequel" to Armor Wars; what's the most copied Iron Man story, Armor Wars or Demon in the Bottle? -Dark Avengers is getting cancelled gonna miss those freaks. guess Marvel was tired of the constant comparison to the much shittier Thunderbolts book. man, why can't THAT be the one that gets cancelled? -oh yay another Sequel to Kick-Ass. I wonder how else Mark Millar can call me an asshole for enjoying superhero comics. -all in all things don't look very interesting to me in May. one book leaving my pull list because it's ending and nothing to replace it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 14, 2013 11:24:40 GMT -5
There's apparently a Captain Marvel / Avengers Assemble (the Avengers book that's "movie friendly") crossover starting in May, with Kelly Sue DeConnick (who writes both books, and is a damn good writer) helming it. It's got my interest.
On to current fare, though. I checked out Secret Avengers #1 yesterday, and I think it's how an espionage comic set in a world with superheroes and the like should function. It's got me interested.
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Post by Alucard on Feb 14, 2013 15:17:12 GMT -5
On to current fare, though. I checked out Secret Avengers #1 yesterday, and I think it's how an espionage comic set in a world with superheroes and the like should function. It's got me interested. Ehh, it just felt like it was missing something, to me. I'll check out #2 at least, but I really didn't like #1. And it relied too much on those sorts of "fake out/did it really happen" scenes that Young Justice constantly did and irritated the hell out of me with. I wasn't in the best of moods when I read it so maybe that had an effect.
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Post by MasonK565 on Feb 14, 2013 17:32:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Honestly, I am glad no one was killed in DotF. Joker won, without having to kill anyone. The fact that someone has to die to make something major is getting old. And most of the hype about someone dying was coming from fans themselves.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 14, 2013 19:05:30 GMT -5
Honestly, I am glad no one was killed in DotF. Joker won, without having to kill anyone. The fact that someone has to die to make something major is getting old. And most of the hype about someone dying was coming from fans themselves. SPOILER TAG!!!!!
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Feb 14, 2013 20:17:11 GMT -5
so how long before Joker stops running around with his severed/re-attached face? it just seems like a needlessly silly development that you could've told the story without. {Spoiler}He fell down a cave and the face went flying away. He's coming back with his face completely intact. I'm sure of it
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