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Post by Red Impact on Jan 2, 2013 14:32:41 GMT -5
I think people started seeing Lee as an actor and less as a martial artist over time. Lee was as much, if not more of a beast than just about anyone. Sure, Tyson could take a punch, but taking a punch in a boxing ring is not quite the same thing as taking it in the chin from a guy who could routinely send 300 pound bags into the ceiling.
The fight would be over quickly regardless of who won, and I think the only chance Tyson has is hoping that Lee missed. And I say that knowing just how much of a monster Tyson was in his prime too.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 2, 2013 15:18:23 GMT -5
Tyson never had to deal with someone actually kicking him though, especially with the near godly speed, lethal power, and leg reach of Lee.
The above scene (as well as many of his other fights on film) was said to have actually been slowed down in post-production because Lee's kick was insanely and unnaturally fast for the cameras to capture with their normal frame rate. You may have also noticed he kicked a dummy. Not a stunt guy, not a trained professional fighter, but a dummy. This is because they feared there was an almost definite chance he would have instantly and legitimately KILLED whoever was on the receiving end of that kick. Lee does not lack killer power himself. He's just as deadly with a kick as Tyson is with a punch, but much, much faster, even for Tyson.
Lee is also an excellent boxer himself. He's obviously more skilled in martial arts, and might lack the deadly power of a Tyson punch, but he knows the game, which means he can anticipate whatever Tyson throws at him.
Here's a bit of trivia I found interesting that helps support my previous argument:
Now it's safe to assume this guy wasn't as skilled or as lethal as Tyson (although we will never know for sure), but he was fast and powerful, and was looking to punch the living shit out of Lee, two things Tyson is, and the main thing he would try to do. But what caught my eye was that he "methodically took him apart", which is what I said Lee exactly would do to Tyson earlier.
I'm not trying to discredit Tyson as a fighter or as an imposing threat, obviously, he's one of the greatest fighters of our time. But I'm sorry, there is just no way Tyson would beat Lee in an unsanctioned fight. Lee was on a whole other level.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 2, 2013 15:28:58 GMT -5
I put a lot of the Bruce lee "Facts" with Chuck Norris "Facts". Comments made by people who stand to profit over a dead legend *I think most of his feats were said by his wife*. Also, there are martial artist now who are too fast for modern Cameras *Both Jet Li and Jackie Chan* I am also sure an unguarded punch from Mike Tyson would kill an 135 pound man, including Bruce lee.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 2, 2013 15:30:48 GMT -5
Really? Bruce Lee would wipe the floor with Tyson. People forget how much Lee took his training seriously. Bruce, in his prime, was quicker, I firmly believe a little bit stronger, and was more athletic too. Even if Tyson got a hold of Lee I think Lee would be wearing him down with kicks to the legs, punches to the gut, and possibly give him a headbutt to make him let go.
One article I remember reading stated that this individual let Lee do a practice punch or kick on him, he stated it felt like being hit by a real runaway train. Lee would kill Tyson honestly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 15:54:15 GMT -5
Thought about it for more than 10 seconds.
Bruce Lee's ghost roundhouse kicked me in the jaw.
....Tyson's ghost couldn't have emerged from the ether of the beyond to do anything, much less that.
Bruce Lee is your only correct answer.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 2, 2013 16:04:00 GMT -5
I would say Bruce Lee, in a fairly quick fight.
Mike Tyson was a bad man in his prime, but Lee's quickness would take him down.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 2, 2013 16:18:22 GMT -5
Yeh Ghidorah,but Bruce Lee is not some Chuck Norris.He is a true kick-asser,not a internet joke that gets overused.He is a true Black belt,not some schmuck actor.
He would easily win against Tyson in everything except Boxing.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 2, 2013 16:29:52 GMT -5
I put a lot of the Bruce lee "Facts" with Chuck Norris "Facts". Comments made by people who stand to profit over a dead legend *I think most of his feats were said by his wife*. Also, there are martial artist now who are too fast for modern Cameras *Both Jet Li and Jackie Chan* I am also sure an unguarded punch from Mike Tyson would kill an 135 pound man, including Bruce lee. Except 1. the Chuck Norris "Facts" are (or were, depending if people even still make them anymore) meant to be ridiculous, nonsensical, and humorous, and 2. Chuck Norris is very well much alive, so your logic doesn't make much sense. Ha ha, I know having 3 heads could lead to a little stubbornness every now and then, but you don't actually believe yourself, do you? Lee was well known to be very methodical and calculating in his fights, even when he was alive, it was a small part of his philosophy, so what reasons do they have to make up off-camera stories about him doing the same thing? And there's video proof all over Youtube of his lightning fast kicks that he displays in exhibitions and interviews (not his movies), both in their natural speed and slowed down for you to actually see. Like, I honestly don't know whether to take your first sentence as a joke or not. And I never discredited Tyson for having a killing punch, I've mentioned it plenty of times in my last post. Sure, Tyson could very well kill Lee with one of his signature punches with all of his might ...if he could catch him.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 2, 2013 16:31:15 GMT -5
Yeh Ghidorah,but Bruce Lee is not some Chuck Norris.He is a true kick-asser,not a internet joke that gets overused.He is a true Black belt,not some schmuck actor. He would easily win against Tyson in everything except Boxing. In fairness to Chuck, he was a black belt and a legit top ranked fighter in the 60's. Bruce more than respected him as a martial artist.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Jan 2, 2013 16:33:32 GMT -5
Generally, I agree with the sentiment that if Bruce could outpace Tyson, he'd win, but if he couldn't move fast enough to avoid Tyson's punches, Tyson would win easily.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 2, 2013 16:33:59 GMT -5
Yeh Ghidorah,but Bruce Lee is not some Chuck Norris.He is a true kick-asser,not a internet joke that gets overused.He is a true Black belt,not some schmuck actor. He would easily win against Tyson in everything except Boxing. In fairness to Chuck, he was a black belt and a legit top ranked fighter in the 60's. Bruce more than respected him as a martial artist. Yeh that is true i forgot that small detail.I knew he was a legit ranked fighter,but totally forgot he was black belt
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 2, 2013 16:37:05 GMT -5
Bruce Lee
A kick to the throat, and Tyson is dead.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 2, 2013 16:53:45 GMT -5
Bruce Lee was a man dedicated to the science and art of fighting. His whole life was studying and improving how a person can fight in every situation(it was his obsession). He transformed the martial arts world. He was already doing this before he got famous. I can bet you Iron Mike didn't train nearly as close as Bruce did. Not by a long shot.
Even a boxing match, Bruce would figure a way out to out think Tyson.
And he was as fast people say. Him breaking a board from one inch away proves that.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 2, 2013 16:56:31 GMT -5
I put a lot of the Bruce lee "Facts" with Chuck Norris "Facts". Comments made by people who stand to profit over a dead legend *I think most of his feats were said by his wife*. Also, there are martial artist now who are too fast for modern Cameras *Both Jet Li and Jackie Chan* I am also sure an unguarded punch from Mike Tyson would kill an 135 pound man, including Bruce lee. Except 1. the Chuck Norris "Facts" are (or were, depending if people even still make them anymore) meant to be ridiculous, nonsensical, and humorous, and 2. Chuck Norris is very well much alive, so your logic doesn't make much sense. Ha ha, I know having 3 heads could lead to a little stubbornness every now and then, but you don't actually believe yourself, do you? Lee was well known to be very methodical and calculating in his fights, even when he was alive, it was a small part of his philosophy, so what reasons do they have to make up off-camera stories about him doing the same thing? And there's video proof all over Youtube of his lightning fast kicks that he displays in exhibitions and interviews (not his movies), both in their natural speed and slowed down for you to actually see. Like, I honestly don't know whether to take your first sentence as a joke or not. And I never discredited Tyson for having a killing punch, I've mentioned it plenty of times in my last post. Sure, Tyson could very well kill Lee with one of his signature punches with all of his might ...if he could catch him. Catch him? What makes you think Mike was some slow brute, he could throw out combinations as fast a lees kicks. That's at age 15, he regulary 1hitKO dudes twice Bruce Lees size Come on man.
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Post by Throwback on Jan 2, 2013 17:03:11 GMT -5
I think Tyson would beat the s*** out of him all day. Lee would get some good licks in and slow him down, but in the long run Tyson held the power and a good amount of speed. I think a good portion of the current UFC roster would end Lee as well, so what do I know.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 2, 2013 17:15:05 GMT -5
Except 1. the Chuck Norris "Facts" are (or were, depending if people even still make them anymore) meant to be ridiculous, nonsensical, and humorous, and 2. Chuck Norris is very well much alive, so your logic doesn't make much sense. Ha ha, I know having 3 heads could lead to a little stubbornness every now and then, but you don't actually believe yourself, do you? Lee was well known to be very methodical and calculating in his fights, even when he was alive, it was a small part of his philosophy, so what reasons do they have to make up off-camera stories about him doing the same thing? And there's video proof all over Youtube of his lightning fast kicks that he displays in exhibitions and interviews (not his movies), both in their natural speed and slowed down for you to actually see. Like, I honestly don't know whether to take your first sentence as a joke or not. And I never discredited Tyson for having a killing punch, I've mentioned it plenty of times in my last post. Sure, Tyson could very well kill Lee with one of his signature punches with all of his might ...if he could catch him. Catch him? What makes you think Mike was some slow brute, he could throw out combinations as fast a lees kicks. That's at age 15, he regulary 1hitKO dudes twice Bruce Lees size Come on man. He's fast...for a heavyweight. But the dude would've struggled to hit Roy Jones Jr (a light heavyweight) at that speed. Tyson really didn't go against much opponents much faster than him. The one time I recall was Holyfield and he frustrated the hell out of Mike but beat him soundly. Sorry bro, I love Mike. But he ain't winning that fight. Now a better dream match I'd like to see is Joe Frazier vs. Mike Tyson. Both fast, powerful, and sluggers who would've went to war.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 2, 2013 17:42:59 GMT -5
An all-around martial artist who could knock someone out with a one inch punch versus a (albeit great at what he did) one-dimensional fighter. I'm sorry, it's not even close. Just watch the early UFC tournaments if you don't believe me.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 2, 2013 17:46:02 GMT -5
Catch him? What makes you think Mike was some slow brute, he could throw out combinations as fast a lees kicks. That's at age 15, he regulary 1hitKO dudes twice Bruce Lees size Come on man. Please point out anywhere in any of my posts, where I mentioned or even hinted at Tyson being a slow brute. I've hinted on his great speed for a guy his size plenty of times. I just believe Lee is faster, especially if they're not inside a ring or a confined space where Tyson could potentially corner him.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Jan 2, 2013 17:49:25 GMT -5
It would have been worse then James Toney v Randy Couture
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 2, 2013 17:55:13 GMT -5
Ha! But honestly, if it's a street fight, then Lee easily. Tyson may be fast for a guy his size and strength, and more powerful than Lee, but Lee's faster, smarter, is much more athletically fit which means he won't gas out as quickly as Tyson, and has an endurance for pain. He'd evade Tyson's punches and strike him down little by little until he kicks his f***ing head off. Sorry Ghidorah, but you were the one who made it a street fight. If it makes you feel any better, Tyson would easily win under boxing rules. No, none of this, Tyson had some of the fastest combinations period. Tyson was unnaturally fast for his size, which is what made him such a thread. And I think a boxer might have a little endurance for pain too. Tyson would simply absorb a blow *as he always did* and drop him. This would not be a close fight. This is a fair point. Tyson would always focus on his core and stomach area so he wouldn't have to worry about blocking body blows as much, rather just taking them and keeping on the offensive. And it worked, seeing as he was never knocked down via body shots!
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