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Post by The Ichi on Jan 5, 2013 9:17:44 GMT -5
People still don't seem to realize that losing the belt to Rock will be the biggest talking point of Punks title reign. It will do nothing but good things for him.
What else is the legacy of his reign, apart from the length of it? He needs this.
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Post by HBL on Jan 5, 2013 10:07:55 GMT -5
People still don't seem to realize that losing the belt to Rock will be the biggest talking point of Punks title reign. It will do nothing but good things for him. What else is the legacy of his reign, apart from the length of it? He needs this. Maybe actually defeating The Rock?
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Post by wrestling4ever on Jan 5, 2013 10:09:36 GMT -5
People still don't seem to realize that losing the belt to Rock will be the biggest talking point of Punks title reign. It will do nothing but good things for him. What else is the legacy of his reign, apart from the length of it? He needs this. Maybe actually defeating The Rock? Its not going to do anything to him as a cheap whiny heel. Punk is only winning with help or luck. Had he still been a face and this was a straight up battle over who was the best, and for the strap, Punk beating Rock would have meant more. At the end of the day though, win or lose, this is going to be one of Punk's biggest moments. He even thinks so.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 5, 2013 10:20:46 GMT -5
It's not set in stone that Punk is going to lose to Rock. A lot of people around here, myself included, seemed to think that it was a certainty that Rock was going to lose to Cena last year, and it didn't happen. Rock might win, he might not, but the match isn't some inevitable outcome. It's perfectly possible for Punk to keep his belt all the way to WrestleMania, especially considering the title rarely changes at the Royal Rumble, anyway.
As far as the topic, yeah I'm looking forward to it. I'm always happy to see more of The Rock, and after seeing him work with John Cena for an entire year, it'll be nice to see a pay-per-view where Rock and Cena aren't involved with one another.
In a recent interview, Rock said that there's an entire storyline planned out between now and WrestleMania, so at least WWE will be booking this with a clear goal in mind (even if it ends up just being Rock/Cena II). Which already makes it different than "Once in a Lifetime".
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Post by pepsitwist on Jan 5, 2013 10:26:29 GMT -5
The promos should be great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 10:56:06 GMT -5
I'm going to be watching this live with a bunch of mates at 1am due to this being the main event. The Rumble will be fun of course, but Punk/Rock is what's sold me on staying awake until 4am.
I want to see this match unfold, whoever wins I'll be happy, I'm simply excited to see what happens in it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 5, 2013 11:06:19 GMT -5
Yep. Should be a fun match, particularly atmosphere wise.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Jan 5, 2013 11:13:43 GMT -5
Do you smell it?
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 5, 2013 12:08:07 GMT -5
Some have already said it, but at some point Punk WILL lose his title to somebody. He's already got 400+ days as Champ under his belt so he can coast on that longer than Jericho has with his first-ever Undisputed Title reign.
If he loses the title to The Rock-- it's an even bigger reign and he'll always be able to say that he was still the Best in the World until The Rock came back to the WWE for one last run (putting over The Rock and himself as in another league from the rest of the WWE).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 13:53:49 GMT -5
Yeah, but I'd much rather it be Hollywood Rock/Nation Rock vs. Pipebomb Punk. Seconded with emphasis. It'll be a good match, but I'd rather see Punk drop the title to someone who isn't just going to keep it warm for Cena before leaving for Hollywood again.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 5, 2013 14:13:01 GMT -5
No. I can't get the inevitability of Punk losing out of my head. Same here. I'm sure the promo's will be good (on Punk's end anyway), and I'm sure both'll deliver in the actual match. But with the end result reeking of "Spoiler: Rock Wins" and the inevitable Rock/Cena II match soon to follow, it feels like the Rumble is gonna be pretty much the beginning of the decline on the roller coaster. This.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 5, 2013 15:29:41 GMT -5
People still don't seem to realize that losing the belt to Rock will be the biggest talking point of Punks title reign. It will do nothing but good things for him. What else is the legacy of his reign, apart from the length of it? He needs this. Maybe actually defeating The Rock? I'd be okay with this as well. Win, lose or draw, this is the biggest moment of Punks career. I don't get why so many have a problem with Rock "waltzing in" and doing this for Punk. This is the moment people will talk about when they discuss Punks reign, not his other matches.
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Post by Spearmint* on Jan 5, 2013 15:40:13 GMT -5
Of course I am. One of the older generation's best v.s one of this generations best for the WWE Championship on a big stage with the lights on bright. What isn't to love about that.
I don't want to go into a whole "Anti-IWC" rant here as hell I'm part of it as much as anyone else and I've been guilty about going into "good for business" discussions here and elsewhere, but I will say this.
Sometimes I feel we all get too caught up in Wins/Loses, "Business decisions" and "Long-term storyline plans". The fact of the matter is WWE will carry on no matter what we think about the decision and the majority of us will no doubt continue watching.
It happened with Christian/Orton, it happened with Cena/Brock and it's happened with many many others. Yes we still have the debates over if both of them were the right decisions but at the end of the day we all, mostly, agree we loved the matches they produced (for Christian/Orton I mean the later-feud matches) and we all, mostly, still watch now.
Will Rock/Punk have an outcome that will near split the board; yes. but Do all the signs based on their ability, past-performances and characters point to us enjoying this feud and match? For me, yes.
And maybe that's all that matters.
I've loved Punk's run, but if he has to lose now then I'm okay with it. He's had one of the best runs and maybe yeah sure it would be best for him to drop it to a new talent but if thats not what WWE has in mind then thats not whats going to happen and I can't change that so I'll just try to enjoy whatever does happen instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 15:53:28 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like the match is only 3 weeks away. I think people would have been more hyped for it by now if they simply announced when Punk got hurt that he wouldn't be wrestling again until the Rumble when he would defend the title against Rock. Then at least we would have had a solid 2 months of hype for the match.
With Ryback still in the picture though and this match next week they haven't been able to so much as make a graphic for Rock-Punk yet because technically in kayfabe it's not set in stone. So by the time Rock-Punk is official there will only be two Raw's left to build it like every other PPV title match when this should probably really have had more than that.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 5, 2013 16:13:32 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like the match is only 3 weeks away. I think people would have been more hyped for it by now if they simply announced when Punk got hurt that he wouldn't be wrestling again until the Rumble when he would defend the title against Rock. Then at least we would have had a solid 2 months of hype for the match. With Ryback still in the picture though and this match next week they haven't been able to so much as make a graphic for Rock-Punk yet because technically in kayfabe it's not set in stone. So by the time Rock-Punk is official there will only be two Raw's left to build it like every other PPV title match when this should probably really have had more than that. There'll be three Raws and two SmackDowns that Rock will appearing on in the lead-up to the Rumble, so there's plenty of time for build. The match is already created and the backstory is already there. All that's left are some Rock/Punk interactions to further sell people, and three weeks is plenty of time to do that, especially since they'll be using both shows. When Rock/Cena was going on, and there was tons of hype months before the build to the match could actually begin, some people on here were getting sick of them.
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Post by CM Parish on Jan 5, 2013 16:21:31 GMT -5
What do you mean?
It'll be Ryback Vs The Rock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 18:16:19 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like the match is only 3 weeks away. I think people would have been more hyped for it by now if they simply announced when Punk got hurt that he wouldn't be wrestling again until the Rumble when he would defend the title against Rock. Then at least we would have had a solid 2 months of hype for the match. With Ryback still in the picture though and this match next week they haven't been able to so much as make a graphic for Rock-Punk yet because technically in kayfabe it's not set in stone. So by the time Rock-Punk is official there will only be two Raw's left to build it like every other PPV title match when this should probably really have had more than that. There'll be three Raws and two SmackDowns that Rock will appearing on in the lead-up to the Rumble, so there's plenty of time for build. The match is already created and the backstory is already there. All that's left are some Rock/Punk interactions to further sell people, and three weeks is plenty of time to do that, especially since they'll be using both shows. When Rock/Cena was going on, and there was tons of hype months before the build to the match could actually begin, some people on here were getting sick of them. You're right, there would be people who'd complain if we got a month of Rock video packages before he even showed back up in person but the fact is that those kind of things are proven to be effective at selling stuff. Rock-Hogan had 3-4 weeks of real hype and did 800,000 buys. Rock-Cena had a year of hype and did 1.3 million. You can't tell me Rock-Cena was that much bigger than Rock-Hogan. It was the hype that made the difference. WWE spent a year telling people that this was a match you had to see and it broke every wrestling PPV record because of it. If WWE had announced Rock-Punk officially after Survivor Series and had Punk turn his complete focus to Rock while he recovered from his injury and played hype videos for the match each week since then rather than the two week hard sell before the show they're going to do now there's no doubt in my mind that the match would have seemed bigger and made more money. To be honest, I'm not really bothered either way. I'll be rooting for Rock to win the title and the match in the ring will be what it will be whether there's 3 weeks of build or 3 months. I just think it's strange that we're 22 days away from the Rumble and they've booked it in such a way that Rock-Punk technically still isn't even on the card yet. Like I said, I know they'll go into hard sell mode starting next week but I don't think 2-3 weeks is enough for the match to reach it's full potential.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 5, 2013 19:33:29 GMT -5
I'm sure the match will be great, but I can't remember the last time WWE telegraphed a match's outcome this obviously.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 5, 2013 19:38:16 GMT -5
People still don't seem to realize that losing the belt to Rock will be the biggest talking point of Punks title reign. It will do nothing but good things for him. What else is the legacy of his reign, apart from the length of it? He needs this. Maybe actually defeating The Rock? Blasphemy Punk isn't worthy of beating one of the greatest stars this industry has ever produced, and Punk's drawing power (or more precisely lack thereof) proves as much imo.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 5, 2013 20:28:01 GMT -5
Maybe actually defeating The Rock? Blasphemy Punk isn't worthy of beating one of the greatest stars this industry has ever produced, and Punk's drawing power (or more precisely lack thereof) proves as much imo. Sorry but that is horse crap. If drawing power is what matters, no one in this industry should ever have beaten Hogan except possibly Austin and Rock. The simple fact is if you want to make someone go from a star to a superstar in wrestling they have to have meaningful clean as possible wins over superstars and/or be seen as equal to or important as them which WWE and some fans seem to have forgotten. Cena didn't mean shit until he made Triple H tap at Mania. Triple H had to end the career of Mick Foley and so on. Just calling a person a superstar while making them the 4th or 5th most important person never works and we knew it well before Punk got the belt though I guess WWE forgot. The fact that damn near no one from "smarks" to "marks" is giving Punk a chance shows how pathetic WWE has done. This match means all of jack and shit because of that. This match is nothing but a backdrop to get Rock to Mania and shows how good WWE has done with Punk and really the company as a whole. Rock wins and he faces the Rumble winner (more than likely an undeserving John Cena) or he loses and he faces the guy who cost him the match (more than likely Brock Lesnar) all while WWE prays to God that the lapsed fans sticks around past Mania which we know won't happen because they've already drilled it into people that nothing matters unless Rock or Brock is around.
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