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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2013 20:09:54 GMT -5
When did people suddenly think The Rock was this egotistical maniac who wasn't willing to put over anyone?
I am not saying this as a big fan, even though I am, I say this as someone noticing this from people on here and other places and to be honest, I find it ridiculous.
Has some of the stuff they've done been over the top? Sure, and I will agree the birthday party was DUMB but I see that as less to do with him and more to do with the WWE milking their newly gotten cash cow like they tried to do with Brock.
I don't know, I just hear about all the crap other guys have gotten for backstage tactics, never hear about it about The Rock and then people throw around accusations with no real basis of even a bit of TV evidence. He might be, I don't know but damn if no one is pointing me to it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 5, 2013 20:13:50 GMT -5
I have never heard anything about The Rock refusing to put anyone over or refusing to work with anyone. I mean the example many people cite is how he treated the Hurricane in 2003 as compared to how Triple H treated him mere weeks later. I've never even seen any newz about it.
But you're right, there's an overwhelming mood on here that Rock wouldn't put over anyone, but that's completely ridiculous. Rock must be earning chicken feed from WWE as compared to what he could get in Hollywood with comparatively low risk. Rock could never come back, and still be one of the greatest ever, and it'd be no skin off his nose whatsoever.
What a lot of people forget is that while Rock would bury everyone and anyone on the mic, first of all, yes, he buried EVERYONE and ANYONE on the mic. Yes, Billy Gunn, Big Show, but also Mick Foley, Stone Cold, Vince, Shane, Stephanie, Triple H, everybody. That was his character. That's what he did. And when he was in the ring with anyone, he'd sell like a motherf***er.
I think the 'he won't put anyone over' crowd may be the same people who were like 'he's too good for wrestling now, what a dick, he owes the fans' and now that he's come back they've nothing to complain about, so they've decided he won't do jobs.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 5, 2013 20:15:30 GMT -5
I just find it laughable and pretty much equate to a smear campaign from people that have never been his fans or those that think hey others are turning on him so let me join the party etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 20:18:39 GMT -5
I've never heard that either. I think more people are just sick of his schtick than whether or not he'll put someone else over.
This thread is a farce. A FARCE.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Jan 5, 2013 20:20:33 GMT -5
Marks, bro. Plain and simple.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jan 5, 2013 20:23:06 GMT -5
3 years ago: When is the Rock coming back?
Today: Rock is such a tool. Can't believe he is not putting people over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 20:24:16 GMT -5
The Rock is probably the most selfless top star in WWE/F history. Cena is up there too. These guys would probably job to the Brooklyn Brawler if you asked them to.
Rock has only had 2 matches since returning. He's been booked so strong since he returned because he's a huge celebrity and WWE wants to get as much use out of him as possible, not because he's some egomaniac who demands it.
He'll probably win the WWE title so he can go on talk shows and stuff and get WWE publicity but after that I guarantee he'll start losing to people and it'll start with Cena. Rock didn't come in after 8 years away and go over the top guy in the company without their being an understanding that the current guy would eventually come out on top. Rock will put Cena over and he'll do it with a smile on his face. He'd probably have done it in the first match if he was asked but it just didn't make sense at the time unless that was going to be his last match.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 5, 2013 20:39:36 GMT -5
I've never heard that either. I think more people are just sick of his schtick than whether or not he'll put someone else over. This thread is a farce. A FARCE.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 5, 2013 20:48:52 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but you know the answer. {Spoiler}CM Punk
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jan 5, 2013 20:49:05 GMT -5
Nobody thinks that. We just know WWE isn't going to put many (or any) people over him.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jan 5, 2013 21:00:50 GMT -5
The Rock hate absolutely baffles me. Mostly because nearly every complaint about the guy can be dismissed with simple logic.
The Rock's just coming back for an easy payday: The Rock doesn't NEED an easy payday. The Rock doesn't need to have a single cent added to his bank account ever again to make sure he and his family are financially well off for generations. He didn't go off to make WWE films. He didn't star in 80's cheese and direct to video stuff. He made (and continues making) huge, worldwide blockbusters. There is no amount of money that he could be paid by WWE that he'd "need." And there's likely no amount he could be paid that would influence him to come back in the first place. He's back because it's what he wants to do.
And, while we're on the subject, it's not an EASY payday. Doing a car commercial is an easy payday. Appearing on a sitcom is an easy payday. Shaking hands at a car show is an easy payday. A physical program in WWE leading to a very important main event is hard as hell, not to mention more than a little bit risky.
Remember King's line about "Rocky can't make movies with a broken leg?" He wasn't joking. And it's not like the Rock left Mania last year in the same shape he went in. Dude suffered a pretty bad injury during that match.
He takes time away from the guys who are there all the time: Yeah. That's true. But he also draws a ****load more attention to the shows that they're featured on. So, while the new guys might not get as much time as they would on a non-Rocky show, what time they DO get is seen by a lot more people (if not live, then through DVR, YouTube, and now Hulu.) And the more people buy tickets and PPVs with the Rock, the more the other guys make.
Granted, the Rock Appreciation Night/Birthday Bash things were a bit much. But it's not like Rocky's planning out the shows.
So, when the Rock comes out and says that he's back because he missed the fans, or whatever, I believe him. Because there's really no other reason that makes sense. He can plug his movies in much easier ways (to much larger audiences). He doesn't need the money. And he doesn't NEED to risk his health wrestling. And it's not like being a WWE superstar is more of an ego boost than being one of Hollywood's biggest action stars, right?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 5, 2013 21:01:59 GMT -5
Nobody thinks that. We just know WWE isn't going to put many (or any) people over him. This. Exactly this. Rock, as much as I dislike his character, is a stand up guy who will bend over backwards to get guys over. The problem is the is no chance in hell WWE will anyone over him but Cena, so no matter what he tries to do for people, it'll be meaningless.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 5, 2013 21:08:08 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but you know the answer. {Spoiler}CM Punk Hardly. There were plenty more negative Rock threads last year, when they were building up for Rock/Cena.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 5, 2013 21:30:24 GMT -5
It's because the Rock came back and beat John Cena, he got to roast on Daniel Bryan on RAW, then will (presumably) go over CM Punk in some form or fashion.
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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -5
Nobody thinks that. We just know WWE isn't going to put many (or any) people over him. This. Exactly this. Rock, as much as I dislike his character, is a stand up guy who will bend over backwards to get guys over. The problem is the is no chance in hell WWE will anyone over him but Cena, so no matter what he tries to do for people, it'll be meaningless. For the record, I have seen a few people say this, thus the thread and the annoyance.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jan 5, 2013 21:59:19 GMT -5
This. Exactly this. Rock, as much as I dislike his character, is a stand up guy who will bend over backwards to get guys over. The problem is the is no chance in hell WWE will anyone over him but Cena, so no matter what he tries to do for people, it'll be meaningless. For the record, I have seen a few people say this, thus the thread and the annoyance. I've seen it too. Also I might add that someone in this thread who has dismissed the idea, is someone I'm almost certain I've seen do this exact thing.
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Post by hughgrection on Jan 5, 2013 23:11:18 GMT -5
I feel like we haven't really gotten THE ROCK so much as smiley Dwayne Johnson. It's like he forgot what THE ROCK character was like. Still looking forward to him on Monday though.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2013 1:20:34 GMT -5
BECAUSE HE WENT TO HOLLYWOOD! If that phony really loved wrestling, he would continue to destroy his body for my enjoyment!
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jan 6, 2013 1:30:44 GMT -5
Rock's coming back is all the "proof" I need that he really does love THIS BUSINESS.
With no financial need, at all, to do live performances where he puts his body (and future earning potential) at risk...he still did.
And he also did what so many people seem to want big stars to do. Make way for up-and-coming guys. He reached the VERY top of the company, during the biggest boom period in history. Then, he stepped aside and let others run with the ball.
Rocky! Rocky! Rocky!
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Post by Celgress on Jan 6, 2013 1:36:53 GMT -5
Rock will always do what he is asked. I have never heard of a single instance in which Rock has vetoed a job request. The only thing that even comes close is the rumor that Rocky will not work a program with HBK, because Shawn allegedly was a jerk to Rock when Rock first started in the business. While I personally do not think Rock should job to Punk at RR, if Rock does I'll respect him for it.
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