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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -5
I like the Rock, But can he come back and NOT be booked like a demigod who's above the entire roster? I'm sure he has enough stroke to veto any video packages and recaps they make of him. He should ask, "Can you not air this video package and put on a Johnny Curtis vs. Zack Ryder match instead? Not sure if serious. I am serious I'm looking forward to the Rock's return. I'm not looking forward to 30 minutes to an hour per show of video packages and recaps of The Rock.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2013 15:44:20 GMT -5
I am serious I'm looking forward to the Rock's return. I'm not looking forward to 30 minutes to an hour per show of video packages and recaps of The Rock. And you don't think this should be the responsibility of Vince, Steph, or the writers? You think THE ROCK should be saying "hey don't play that hype video, have Zack Ryder face Johnny Curtis"?!!!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2013 15:47:35 GMT -5
I am serious I'm looking forward to the Rock's return. I'm not looking forward to 30 minutes to an hour per show of video packages and recaps of The Rock. And you don't think this should be the responsibility of Vince, Steph, or the writers? You think THE ROCK should be saying "hey don't play that hype video, have Zack Ryder face Johnny Curtis"?!!! I do think it is, but I think that Vince, Steph, and/or the writers would be more than willing to bend over backwards for anything that The Rock wants. And if The Rock wants one less video package to make room for two midcarders to have a five minute match, then they'll do it. Vince, Steph and the writers are stubborn and set in their ways. So they're not going to do it unless one of their top draws suggests and/or demands it.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2013 15:53:09 GMT -5
And you don't think this should be the responsibility of Vince, Steph, or the writers? You think THE ROCK should be saying "hey don't play that hype video, have Zack Ryder face Johnny Curtis"?!!! I do think it is, but I think that Vince, Steph, and/or the writers would be more than willing to bend over backwards for anything that The Rock wants. And if The Rock wants one less video package to make room for two midcarders to have a five minute match, then they'll do it. That still doesn't mean The Rock should have some kind of responsibility to be saying something like that. I imagine it would be somewhat preposterous if he actually broached that subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 16:23:24 GMT -5
The real question is why is WWE so scared to put someone over Rock. Rock probably wouldn't have a problem with it. But WWE is so terrified of the non-fans going away again if that happens or some other kind of backlash because Demigod Dwayne Johnson lost that they won't do it. He's had TWO matches since he returned. One was a tag match and his first match back and the other was in his hometown and his first singles match in 9 years. You can't tell me that it would have made any sense for him to lose either of them. They aren’t "scared" to put someone over him they just weren't about to job him out right after he returned and piss off any extra fans tuning in to see his return bout. I said it in an earlier post but I'm convinced that after he wins the WWE title (which will probably only happen because WWE wants the publicity of having a mainstream actor holding their title and going on talk shows and stuff with it promoting Wrestlemania – not because Rock has demanded the belt) that'll be the end of WWE "building him back up" and he'll start losing to people, probably beginning with Cena. I like the Rock, But can he come back and NOT be booked like a demigod who's above the entire roster? I'm sure he has enough stroke to veto any video packages and recaps they make of him. He should ask, "Can you not air this video package and put on a Johnny Curtis vs. Zack Ryder match instead? Come on man, some of this is just getting ridiculous. There are 3 hours of Raw each week. 2 hours of Smackdown. An hour of Superstars, NXT and Main Event. If someone can't get a 5 minute match somewhere there then WWE obviously doesn't value them very much and no Rock video package is responsible for taking time away from them. And even if WWE did want to squeeze a 5 minute Johnny Curtis match onto Raw there are 100 ways they could make that time without discarding a Rock segment (one of the only things most fans would actually look forward to). Like have the weekly long Raw Sheamus match go 10 minutes instead of 15 minutes. Or have Punk and Heyman talk for 8 minutes instead of 12 minutes. Or have just the one AJ segment rather than 3.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 6, 2013 17:43:38 GMT -5
BECAUSE HE WENT TO HOLLYWOOD! If that phony really loved wrestling, he would continue to destroy his body for my enjoyment! Jericho's left the company for, what, the fourth time now? Still a big Jericho fan, and I'm always excited when he returns. I hold no sort of grudge against Rock for going to Hollywood. Matter off fact, I'd prefer he stay there.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jan 6, 2013 17:57:32 GMT -5
The sooner hes gone the better for me, never liked the rock as an in ring talent and he really is taking a spot away from younger talent. He seems like a nice guy backstage but i imagine he has a lot of pull and has used it to his advantage more times then people think. Im not looking foward to Punk jobbing to him, which he will.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 6, 2013 17:58:41 GMT -5
BECAUSE HE WENT TO HOLLYWOOD! If that phony really loved wrestling, he would continue to destroy his body for my enjoyment! Jericho's left the company for, what, the fourth time now? Still a big Jericho fan, and I'm always excited when he returns. I hold no sort of grudge against Rock for going to Hollywood. Matter off fact, I'd prefer he stay there. I was joking.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 6, 2013 20:48:34 GMT -5
I just wish they wouldn't book The Rock as the strongest person in their company. I mean, I understand you have to make him look strong, they seem to book the entire show around him sometimes, like Wrestlemania 27. They had him come out in the beginning of the show and blab about nonsense for 20 or more minutes. It was just a huge waste of time. Than, at the end of the show it ends with the WWE Champion and the top face of the company laid out. The last image of WM 27 is The Rock standing tall.
Wrestlemania 28 ends with John Cena sitting on the entrance ramp while The Rock stands tall. So, 2 Wrestlemania's in a row The Rock is the last image. Even at the end of Survivor Series, The Rock was standing tall. So, the three PPV's The Rock was involved in, he was the last one standing tall. What does that do for your company? Sure, The Rock is a big money draw, but what does he do that benefits the future of the company? He screwed Cena out of his main event match, and beat up The Miz for the hell of it. He also made Cena look like his bitch at SS 2011, than beat him at WM 28. So basically, The Rock was booked to look stronger than the top face of the company and the current WWE Champion.
I just wish that they would make The Rock look, I don't know, human. Right now their booking him as Superman where they already have a Superman in their company in John Cena. But for reason they pushed him down a peg for The Rock. Sure, they had CM Punk GTS The Rock, but that's only going to lead to Rock winning the WWE Championship.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 6, 2013 21:11:29 GMT -5
That's one of the major differences between Rock and Jericho. When Jericho returns, he's integrated into the roster, and booked like "one of the boys". When The Rock returns he's given godlike status.
Also whileRock doesn't directly take anyone's spot , his presence casts a huge shadow over the product. The product being booked around his sporadic appearances creates a very obvious trickledown effect. Guys who are normally considered main event are bumped down to the midcard. And when guys like Kane, Bryan, Miz etc. are working the midcard they end up bumping the actual midcarders down further.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 21:50:09 GMT -5
That's one of the major differences between Rock and Jericho. When Jericho returns, he's integrated into the roster, and booked like "one of the boys". When The Rock returns he's given godlike status. Also whileRock doesn't directly take anyone's spot , his presence casts a huge shadow over the product. The product being booked around his sporadic appearances creates a very obvious trickledown effect. Guys who are normally considered main event are bumped down to the midcard. And when guys like Kane, Bryan, Miz etc. are working the midcard they end up bumping the actual midcarders down further. No offence to Chris Jericho but he's not The Rock. Fitting in as a regular roster member was fine for Chris, but The Rock is godlike for a reason, and that needs to be maintained so he can set up another guy in future. Maybe it'll be CM Punk, maybe it'll be a Dolph Ziggler/Daniel Bryan, maybe they'll waste it and pass it to Cena for god knows what reason. Also it's not The Rock's duty to talk to production guys over timekeeping. Even when Rocky's not there it's a prominent issue but it's not his responsibility to say "could have saved 3 minutes here and there, and push this back so you can fit a match in."
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 6, 2013 21:54:08 GMT -5
I don't think the impetus is on the Rock to try and get anyone else tv time at all. Really, why would he even care at this point? His role is what he's getting paid to do, he has zero responsibility to anyone else.
When he was part of the active roster? Sure, that I'll grant ya, but now? Nah.
Part of that is because he is, for good or ill, bigger than the product. They can't really realistically book him any other way; and it doesn't really have anything to do with him wanting it or not. The Rock has achieved a level stardom that mean he IS above everybody else there.
WWE needs him far more than he needs them.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 6, 2013 22:08:12 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with The Rock, more how he is booked. They've spent the last decade building Cena up to be the face of the company and then job him to a man who has wrestled one match in recent years. I know Lesnar isn't on a level with The Rock in terms of mainstream fame but every fan knows that Lesnar is a legitimately tough guy (they didn't need to book him that way to get that message across, but it helped). Yet in his first match back for years, he jobs to Cena. The Rock is undoubtedly a Legend but we've had the last two Wrestlemanias built around him and will probably have the next one built that way too. As much as I love revisiting the past, I'm not a fan of building your biggest show of the year around someone who has wrestled twice in the last eight years or so, regardless of the buy rates.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jan 6, 2013 22:10:39 GMT -5
Yes. But look at it like this. Making one movie can take 3-4 months of working long hours. Then you throw in press, touring to promote, etc.. it ends up being a lot of work, which he gets paid a lot of money for. With WWE he does minimal appearances (though I'd argue definitely a reasonable amount to promote his PPV appearance). The amount of man-hours he'll end up putting into working with WWE this year will probably be less than one day of work on a movie set. A few spots on Raw or Smackdown and a two or three PPV matches. In total, it's way less than what he'd get for a movie, but on a "per hour" basis - he's probably making more. On top of that is publicity he'll receive for his upcoming films (of which he hopefully has a piece of the back end on). WWE is a machine with a huge fan base that can aide the Rock in getting more people to go see his films. Let's face it - WWE will probably talk about the Rock 5X more than we'll actually see him and that goes out to the however many million WWE viewers each week. Now, I'm not saying that he HATES wrestling for WWE or anything - in fact, I'm sure he gets quite the kick out of it, but just that the arguement that a rich guy would NEVER do something just to make more money is pretty false. But the Rock isn't doing appearing for WWE instead of filming/promoting his movies. He's doing it in addition to it. The guy may be the only person in entertainment who puts in more go-time than John Cena. He's filming one or two movies (sometimes in different countries) while promoting another, while working on his reality show, writing a new book, doing charity work, AND now doing another hour or two of LIVE TV, in a different city, every week. So, even if the Rock said "I'm not gonna do this unless you make it worth my while," which he probably didn't, it's not because he's after more money. It's because his time is in both high demand and short supply. One of the things that (character) Cena harped on was that Rocky showed up at the building ten minutes before he went on TV. But it's not as if Rocky was just chilling at the hotel, polishing off a bottle of champagne. He was usually arriving from the other side of the country...or the planet. So, again, I'm sure WWE is paying the Rock a good chunk of change for the lead-up to Mania. But they COULDN'T offer him enough money to do it if he didn't want to be there. The money is a bonus. It's what we'd call in Japan "omake." It's something extra that comes with the thing you want.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Jan 6, 2013 23:05:28 GMT -5
and he really is taking a spot away from younger talent. Im not looking foward to Punk jobbing to him, which he will. No one's spot is being taken. And why look forward to Punk jobbing to him? You should look forward to what is hopefully a good match and feud.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 6, 2013 23:59:56 GMT -5
The sooner hes gone the better for me, never liked the rock as an in ring talent and he really is taking a spot away from younger talent. No he's not. There's a demand for him and he's a proven box-office draw as an attraction. Not featuring the guy that helped get you your all time best PPV buyrate in history would be beyond stupid business. It just is what it is. If someone's taking a spot from a young guy, it'd be someone who gets pushed who provides no real beneficial returns.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 7, 2013 0:57:26 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with The Rock, more how he is booked. They've spent the last decade building Cena up to be the face of the company and then job him to a man who has wrestled one match in recent years. I know Lesnar isn't on a level with The Rock in terms of mainstream fame but every fan knows that Lesnar is a legitimately tough guy (they didn't need to book him that way to get that message across, but it helped). Yet in his first match back for years, he jobs to Cena. Cena lost because he got cocky, one of the rare times that he's done so since he's become the face of the company. The Rock wasn't booked to be leaps and bounds better than Cena, they were booked to be on even footing. Cena could have won that, but he tried to do The Rock's move and it backfired. If they had better writing, Cena could have learned from it. Lesnar, meanwhile, just dominated Cena until the end. It looked like Cena stole a win rather than earned a loss, so to speak.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 7, 2013 2:18:58 GMT -5
I don't think the impetus is on the Rock to try and get anyone else tv time at all. Really, why would he even care at this point? His role is what he's getting paid to do, he has zero responsibility to anyone else. When he was part of the active roster? Sure, that I'll grant ya, but now? Nah. Part of that is because he is, for good or ill, bigger than the product. They can't really realistically book him any other way; and it doesn't really have anything to do with him wanting it or not. The Rock has achieved a level stardom that mean he IS above everybody else there. WWE needs him far more than he needs them. Realistically what they could do is have him interact with the rest of the roster. Use The Rock's immense drawing power to draw attention to the current roster. They tune in for The Rock, they stay for everyone else. Ideally this should trickle down to benefitting someone OUTSIDE of the regular rotation of uppercarders.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 7, 2013 2:50:26 GMT -5
I like the Rock, But can he come back and NOT be booked like a demigod who's above the entire roster? I'm sure he has enough stroke to veto any video packages and recaps they make of him. He should ask, "Can you not air this video package and put on a Johnny Curtis vs. Zack Ryder match instead?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 7, 2013 3:31:58 GMT -5
I can honestly see him putting Punk over if it were up to him. If Punk loses at the Rumble, it's going to be because WWE was determined to go that direction, not because Rock won't job.
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